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The Love Hate Annuity Relationship

August 17, 2012 By Annuity Guys®

Every financial product has negatives and positives, how these products are presented or utilized by companies and advisors can lead to a vast array of emotions and opinions…. Hence, annuities are no stranger to this love/hate relationship.

Dick and Eric discuss some of the rumors that annuities face that often lead to the conflicting opinions among individuals considering an annuity in retirement.

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**Guarantees, including optional benefits, are backed by the claims-paying ability of the issuer, and may contain limitations, including surrender charges, which may affect policy values. During this segment, Dick and Eric are referring to Fixed Annuities unless otherwise specified.

Below are some excepts of an article by “Coach Pete” D’Arruda president of Capital Financial Planning and host of Financial Safari Radio broadcast the stimulated the idea foe this weeks commentary. [Full Article]

Annuities Have a Negative Perception

Despite their benefits, annuities have received negative attention over the years for a number of reasons, including rival products seeking to discredit them, poorly constructed products in the space and inappropriate sales of the products. It is imperative potential annuity investors have all the right information on hand to make an informed decision.

While annuities are not for everyone, those who can benefit from them should not let common misconceptions dissuade them from using an annuity as part of a comprehensive financial plan.

The Top 5 Rumors About Annuities

Every issued annuity is a variable annuity^#.
The impact of inflation is too great for fixed annuities.
With penalties and surrender charges, annuities are just too expensive.
Never use your IRA money to invest in an annuity.
With a big name comes a better return.

Remember that securing **guaranteed retirement income in this volatile, low-rate environment is difficult – but not impossible. Do your research, tune out the conflicting opinions and don’t be afraid to ask the tough questions of your financial planner. It’s absolutely possible an annuity should be part of your financial plan. Get your hands on an Annuity Owner’s Manual before purchasing an annuity and learn the good, the bad, and the fine print before you ever invest your money. [Read the Full Article]

Annuity Guys® Video Transcript:

Eric: Today we’re going to talk about the love/hate relationship that people have with annuities.

Dick: Why does that happen? I mean what is this love/hate relationship? But it really is there.

Eric: It is. We were reflecting on an article by Coach Pete, who’s on radio in the financial safari down there in North Carolina.

Dick: His radio station is really picked up all across the nation too, so a lot of people hear him.

Eric: He gets questions occasionally. One of the questions was, “What’s the true story?” Talking about the negativity of some of the annuities. Really, it’s looking at why annuities are so negatively portrayed in the media and these attempts to discredit annuities sometimes by their rival products.

Dick: I think it’s also important to recognize that there are these positive articles about annuities. There’s a lot of emphasis, even from the federal government, now that annuities could make a big difference. But yet we get a lot of negative press.

Eric: Sure. If you think about it, annuities compete for the same slice of the pie as mutual fund^{^}s, stocks, bonds, and CDs. I mean all those pieces are options for people when they’re trying to determine where to put their retirement dollars.

Dick: Do you think that some people just might try to color it, I mean the wrong way, for personal gain?

Eric: I have never seen a mutual fund^{^} company advertise ever. Well, maybe . . . You have to realize there are competing opinions, and everybody wants to think that theirs is the best. Yes, insurance companies compete against investment companies and the such. So there are conflicting opinions and approaches. You see sometimes people tend to go negative. We’re in the political campaign era. We don’t see any negative campaigning going on. I think that’s part of or one of the reasons that some people have such a negative opinion about annuities. That creates that hate relationship.

Dick: From our own perspective, when we’re working with folks that are just kind of entering that realm of understanding annuities, many of their questions center around variable annuities^# because that’s all they’ve read about in the press. They don’t know the difference between the variable and the fixed and the immediate. They pick up this negative connotation that’s continually put out there by the press.

Eric: His first point was, yeah, every annuity is a variable annuity^#. Well, that’s not true, but a lot of people confuse especially the variable annuity^# and the fixed indexed annuity.

Dick: Correct. They have some similarities.

Eric: Exactly. If you use the S&P as a benchmark, well the S&P is an investment product, right? So they think that it’s invested in the S&P.

Dick: Yet a fixed annuity is just what it says. It’s fixed. It’s safe. Your principal is **guaranteed, which is the opposite of the VA.

Eric: Exactly. In a variable annuity^#, your principal can go up and down with the performance of the underlying sub-accounts or the investment accounts.

Dick: Where with a fixed indexed, you’re not really invested into that index. You’re just using it as a gauge of rising and falling.

Eric: Exactly. That’s where the confusion comes in. It’s not necessarily a fixed return that you’re going to get with an indexed annuity. But the safety aspect of every fixed annuity out there, the worst you’ll do is a zero on the return.

Dick: Your principal is always protected.

Eric: It’s protected.

Dick: The other thing, Eric, that we run into a lot with the VAs is the idea that, “Hey, aren’t these annuities all high fees?”

Eric: Right. With a fixed annuity, everything’s built in. It’s what you put in is what goes in. There’s no load fee. That confuses the mutual fund^{^} aspect. “Well, what’s the load I have to pay? What’s the upfront cost?”

Dick: Sure. Right.

Eric: With fixed annuities, it’s all factored into the performance of the product. What you put in actually goes into your annuity.

Dick: I do find that from folks that are just setting up an annuity that they are kind of amazed. “Okay, so I give you $100,000 or I give this company $100,000 and then they give me a bonus. I start off with $105,000 or $110,000 in this annuity. And I don’t owe you anything?”

Eric: Yeah. “How much do I have to pay for that?” The insurance company has already factored that into the program.

Dick: Right. Yet, it is a little different with the variable annuity^#, or a lot different, we should say. I’m just saying in the sense of the fee structure. With the variable annuity^#, the fees are going to be right there on your statement. For the most part, you’re going to somewhere from 3% to 5% maybe, depending on the riders.

Eric: Depending on the riders. I mean you could get one of the barebones ones that have very low fees. But most of them, if you’re really looking at the income **guarantees or the death benefit **guarantees, you’re going to have significantly higher fees.

Dick: Yes.

Eric: All right. Rather than just focusing on the variables, we can talk about some of the other misconceptions. What about inflation? Can a fixed annuity combat inflation?

Dick: I think the answer to that is obviously yes.

Eric: Why is that obviously yes?

Dick: Well, there are different ways that you can either defer a fixed annuity with a very high rollup rate, high growth rate for future income. You know that when you turn that income on, that’s going to be an offset against inflation. Yet, there are also ways to actually have cost-of-living adjustments.

Eric: The other aspect that combats inflation is if you’re looking at something that’s going to be in the equities market, you have risk involved with the volatility of the market. That’s one of the things. You don’t have to worry about inflation on the side of you haven’t worried about taking a loss.

Dick: Yes. A lot of times there’s just this automatic assumption that if your money is in the stock market, it’s going up 8% a year. If we look at the last 10 or 12 years, you’ve made virtually nothing. There’s also the possibility that your money goes negative. Now how well does that keep up with inflation?

Eric: Oops.

Dick: Not good.

Eric: No, not good at all.

Dick: It’s not good for sleeping at night.

Eric: We’ve talked about, in previous videos, strategies for addressing inflation with annuities, whether it be through laddering. There are tools out there that can help you combat inflation with annuities.

Dick: Right, and I would, folks, recommend that you go back and look at some of the other videos that we’ve done on laddering annuities and various aspects of inflation.

Eric: Sure. All right. The third point he makes is with penalties and surrender charges, annuities are just too expensive. He points out that this is partially true. There are surrenders. There are penalties. Depending on the annuity you select, I mean it can have surrenders. I can think of one off the top of my head that has a 16 year surrender. So they are out there. There are surrenders.

We’ve talked about this also in previous interviews. Why are there surrenders built into it? It’s because these are not short-term products. If you’re buying it for the wrong reason . . .

Dick: Well, these companies have to secure the clients’ money. The money goes into long-term bonds, very high-quality investment vehicles, and US Treasuries. The idea is, to protect everyone, these surrender charges have to be there.

The key to setting up an annuity properly is making sure that it does meet the objective, that it meets the long-term objective. Then you’re not going to be in a situation where you’re going to suffer a penalty or a surrender if it’s done properly.

Eric: Exactly. I think that’s the key. If you look at something that has a ten-year surrender, it’s typically a long-term product. It’s been designed. Annuities are designed for lifetime income. They are safe, secure vehicles that have longevity, basically, as part of the quotient of what they’re built on.

Dick: I think the idea of the 10 years or 12 years or 8 years, whatever the surrender aspect of the annuity is, gives the client a sense of, “Well, if things change or I would change my mind, I have this escape.” But most folks that set up an annuity really look at the benefits way beyond 8 years, way beyond 10 years or 12 years. They want this to carry them through their entire retirement. It truly is a long-term solution to a long-term problem.

Eric: Exactly. That is really the solution it should be solving. It’s not a vehicle where you are going to trade in and out of different annuities each and every other year. If that’s your intent, you’re looking in the wrong spot.

Dick: Right. Go ahead. I was going to say let’s talk about what makes people love their annuities.

Eric: Well, they take out volatility of the market performance. If you’re concerned about volatility, people typically do that. The income aspect, you have for life. There’s a novel idea. Those are the two big ones that jump into my mind right off the bat. So **guarantees . . .

Dick: Safety. I can say this, Eric, from experience with clients, many times going into it the thought of, “Should I do an annuity, shouldn’t I do an annuity,” there’s hesitation. There’s this love/hate because of all of the negative press and propaganda from all directions.

Eric: What’s coming in. Yeah.

Dick: Correct. Yet, what I find is that those folks that actually have an annuity, that have had it for several years, especially those that have come through the financial crisis, that they’re very satisfied. There is an appreciation and a love for that decision that they’ve made. Very seldom is anyone not satisfied.

Eric: I would agree. If you buy it for the right purpose, if it fits like a glove because it satisfies what your need was, then you’ll be happy. That truly is where people who have purchased it and got what they wanted and are happy. If they educate themselves going in and understand what it’s going to accomplish for them, then they will be pleased with an annuity. Most often, you’ll love the fact that you’ve made that decision because, in some ways, it’s sleep medicine.

Dick: Yeah, it is. It’s sleep assurance. It’s sleep insurance in many ways. I know that we could end it right here, but let’s hit it on the other side of it. Let’s talk about the hate. Why would you hate an annuity?

Eric: You bought for the wrong reason. You thought you were going to buy it now thinking the rates were awful, and all of a sudden rates go up higher. “Oh, if I would’ve waited, I could’ve gotten a better rate.”

Dick: Or you like maybe living on the edge a little bit, you know?

Eric: You like volatility.

Dick: You like the up and down of the market, taking that calculated risk, hoping for the best.

Or you’ve got this discretionary money that you could put into the market. It wouldn’t hurt anything. You stuck it in an annuity, and now that annuity isn’t performing at the high level of the market.

Eric: Right, you have an annuity. You have the safety **guarantees. You’ve eliminated the risk. All of a sudden, everybody else is talking about how the market is doing . . .

Dick: They’re making all this money.

Eric: Oh, I’m making so much. You missed out. Timing is everything. But, you know what, the timing of an annuity is you’ve taken that **guarantee, and you shouldn’t have to worry about it.

I guess I’m not being negative enough.

Dick: Well, thanks folks for tuning in today. We hope this helps you in your overall decision to kind of balance all of this information out there, both positive and negative.

Eric: Well, we hope you don’t hate us, but I don’t know if you’ll love is either. Thanks for coming in.

Dick: Bye-bye.

Never Place an IRA in an Annuity? Wrong!

June 8, 2012 By Annuity Guys®

One question that seems to come up on a regular basis is “should I use my IRA/401k dollars to purchase an annuity?” As financial advisors and planners we have to take a “big picture view” prior to answering, because it really depends.

What benefits or options are you seeking to get from your annuity that you could not get from an IRA placed in another financial vehicle?

Many CPAs have a blanket answer when questioned about IRA dollars being used in annuities – it goes some thing like this “No. Your IRA already has tax deferral so their is no advantage to obtaining an annuity with your IRA dollars.” That answer for many retirees is incomplete at best! What about safe asset growth, income **guarantees, or income for life – not to mention a potential IRA “tax trap”?

For more insights into the IRA/Annuity question check out this short video.

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This is a question that has been debated many times… check out this MarketWatch article by Robert Powell from 2005 for more insights into this discussion.

Do annuities belong in an IRA?
BOSTON (MarketWatch) — It is, without fail, one of the all-time great debates in the financial-services industry. Do annuities — variable, fixed or index — belong in an IRA? The answer, unfortunately, depends on who you ask.
Firms that manufacture and distribute such products, not surprisingly, say yes. And consumer advocates, also not surprisingly, say no, citing among other things a suit filed last week alleging that a major insurer improperly sold variable annuities^# for use within an IRA.
Consumer advocates and industry experts point out it’s unwise to invest solely in a tax-deferred product, an annuity, inside an IRA which also offers tax-deferral. “Since money invested in an annuity grows on a tax-deferred basis, I’m not a big fan of using them in IRAs,” says Ken Little, author of “The Idiot’s Guide to Annuities.”
Others, including the National Association of Securities Dealers, agree. Don’t invest in a variable annuity^# inside an IRA solely for its tax-deferral is the upshot of one notice the NASD sent to brokerage firms it oversees. And insurers don’t dispute that advice. Heather Dzielak, vice president of Lincoln Financial Group’s annuity business, says this: “If (a person’s) primary goal is tax deferral, variable annuities^# within IRAs offer no additional tax advantage over the IRAs inherent tax deferral feature.”
But Little, the NASD and others do leave the door open for investors to put their money into such products for other reasons, especially if they understand the costs associated with the benefits they are buying.
For instance, some experts say investors who want, in addition to tax-deferral, certain **guarantees — **guaranteed interest rates, a death benefit, or what insurers call living benefits (**guaranteed minimum accumulation benefits, **guaranteed minimum withdrawal benefits, and **guaranteed minimum income benefits) — and don’t mind paying, in some cases, about 2 percentage points for those **guarantees might consider using an annuity in an IRA.
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Annuity Guys® Video Transcript:
Dick: Eric, frequently, we see articles from the investment industry, from CPAs, just financial magazines, and they talk about an IRA not belonging in an annuity.
Eric: That’s good. We’ve had clients, even the last couple of months here, they’re retiring. They’ve got 401Ks. They have these qualified buckets. It’s time to start spending these dollars. That’s their savings for retirement.
Dick: All these years, they’ve put this money away for their retirement to produce an income.
Eric: They’re starting to think about spending down their 401Ks or their IRAs.
Dick: What do their CPAs tell them?
Eric: “You’ve already got tax deferral in an IRA and 401K.”
Dick: Why would you want an annuity with tax deferral? That is the standard argument that’s used. What’s wrong with that argument?
Eric: You mean you can’t have double tax deferral?
Dick: Why would you need double tax deferral?
Eric: You can’t get that.
Dick: You don’t need an annuity. Is that why people buy an annuity? Is that why people use that for a portion of their portfolio? For tax deferral?
Eric: No. That’s what we always say. There’s no universal answer, but when it comes to tax deferral, do you need a double tax deferral? No. What are the other benefits that they really offer to you?
Dick: The reasons why, right.
Eric: You have IRA dollars; you’re saving for retirement. You’re now going to start to spend your retirement. What does an annuity do for you?
Dick: Safety, security, income **guarantees. In a down economy, in a volatile economy, it’s a sense of knowing where you’re going to be today or 5 or 10 years from now.
Eric: Just because I have an IRA it doesn’t mean I automatically get income for life?
Dick: No, you do not.
Eric: But I have tax deferral.
Dick: Unless everything works out perfect or you have an annuity. In no way do we advocate with our clients or to those who listen to our videos that you put all of your money into an annuity.
Eric: No. When we hear CPAs automatically discount an annuity for IRA dollars or qualified dollars, we have to pull our hair out and see we’ve been doing this a lot lately, because it can be poor advice in a universal sense. You can’t just universally say, “No, you should never put IRA dollars or qualified dollars into an annuity.”
Dick: It makes more sense when you’re younger to think that way, when you’re in that accumulation portion of your life, where you’re growing your dollars. It wouldn’t make a lot of sense to buy an annuity when you can have your money invested where it can potentially earn more and grow. No, that portion, but what happens is that same argument that’s used during those years doesn’t get carried over into the retirement years. It actually gets carried over instead of that transition where things change. Let me ask you a question here to get off the subject a little bit; where are taxes going?
Eric: Taxes?
Dick: Are taxes going down or up?
Eric: Let’s see here. If I had to be a betting man, I don’t think Vegas would give me good odds on this, but I would guess they’re going up.
Dick: I think you might be right. I think most of the folks that are watching this will agree with us. If taxes are going up, then what do I have if I have a pile of money I’ve never paid tax on?
Eric: You got a good deal, because you never pay tax on it.
Dick: What’s going to happen to it?
Eric: Is the government going to make me take these dollars and pay taxes?
Dick: Do you think maybe I have a trap here that I’m caught in, a tax trap? That’s what I see an IRA is, it’s very much a tax trap because we are likely to see increasing taxes as time goes by. Wouldn’t it make more sense to systematically be removing some money from that IRA, using it for the intended purposes of creating income and getting some money out of there so that it’s not all taxes in one large amount?
Eric: That sounds logical, but what would your CPA say? I’m making fun of CPAs right now.
Dick: What do CPAs do? In reality, when you think about it, they’re very, very good at saving us money on taxes in the year we’re going to file our return, or looking forward to the next year. Looking at the 20 or 30 years, a lot time . . . Folks, if you have one of those CPAs that looks 20 years down the line and projects things out for you, and look at ways to save you money, you have one of the rarest CPAs out there; they’re in the top 1% or 2%. Nothing against CPAs, they do a great job; they keep us legal, they save us money on taxes, but a lot of times, they’re looking at what can we save today. They’d rather defer some dollars from tax, not really thinking in terms of what’s happening with potential tax rates 10 or 20 years from now and getting that money out.
Eric: From a CPA’s standpoint, they’re thinking about tax now. Yes, if the answer is there a difference between a tax-deferred scenario between the IRA and the annuity? Of course not. If you’re saying, “What about the other benefits” Then, yes, that’s where the annuity, using qualified dollars makes perfectly good sense.
Dick: It does. When we say, “Never move IRA money into an annuity. Never buy an annuity with IRA money . . .”
Eric: Wrong.
Dick: Not.
Eric: Wrong. Take your personal situation and apply it. Basically, no, there are times when it does make sense.
Dick: There are. But everybody’s situation is different. They need to get a good advisor for that, a good local advisor. Thank you.
Eric: Have a good day.

Annuity Timing – Jump in or Wait?

June 1, 2012 By Annuity Guys®

Annuity Guys®, Dick and Eric examine the question on the mind of many people when comes to selecting an annuity in today’s depressed rate environment – should I jump in now or should I wait?

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Read the article that stimulated this weeks topic…

Why Indexed Annuities Keep Charging Ahead

In the first quarter, indexed annuities topped the charts in sales growth among all annuity lines as compared to first quarter 2011.

The sales volume still did not surpass that of more traditional annuity products, such as variable annuities^# and fixed deferred annuities, but in terms of sales growth, the products were definitely the leader of the pack, and by a substantial margin.

What’s behind it? The answer is in the sales results themselves.

The sales results

First quarter indexed annuity sales reached $8.1 billion — up 14 percent compared to first quarter 2011, according to estimates from LIMRA. AnnuitySpecs.com is reporting similar results — first quarter sales of $8 billion in 2012, up by more than 13 percent from first quarter last year.

The differences in results reported by the two firms are not significant, given that the firms have slightly different lists of participating companies as well as different research parameters and definitions.

But the double-digit growth that both firms identified is significant, especially when viewed against the performance of other annuity product lines. For example, total variable annuity^# sales fell by 7 percent in first quarter 2012 compared to first quarter last year, according to LIMRA. That was on first quarter 2012 sales of $36.8 billion.

In addition, total fixed annuity sales fell by 10 percent on first quarter sales of $18 billion, LIMRA says. That was despite the two-digit jump in sales of indexed annuities, which are included in the fixed total.

The total fixed annuity plunge was a result of sales declines in most fixed annuity categories that LIMRA tracks other than indexed annuities. These other categories include fixed rate deferred annuities (down 28 percent on sales of $7.1 billion compared to first quarter last year), book value annuities (down 32 percent on sales of $5.8 billion), and fixed deferred annuities (down 11 percent on sales of $15.2 billion). Fixed immediate annuities were the only products to flatline, coming in at 0 percent gain on sales of $1.8 billion.

AnnuitySpecs points out that first quarter indexed annuity sales did lag the previous quarter by 3 percent. But Sheryl J. Moore sees the product’s 13 percent increase over first quarter sales last year as the more compelling figure. Moore is president and CEO of Moore Market Intelligence, which owns AnnuitySpecs.com.

“No other lifetime income product is as strategically positioned to thrive in this low-interest rate environment. In fact, the indexed annuity is well-suited for any market environment,” Moore said in releasing her firm’s first quarter numbers.

LIMRA portrays indexed annuity sales as “the driving force in the fixed market” for the first quarter, and points out that for the third consecutive quarter, the products “outperformed traditional fixed annuities, capturing 45 percent of the fixed annuity market.” [Read More…]

Annuity Guys® Video Transcript:

Eric: We’re going to talk about annuity timing. Should you jump in or wait?

Dick: Well, that’s the big question. Do we jump in or do we wait and that’s a question we hear all the time.

Eric: We’re hearing it a lot.

Dick: Recently.

Eric: Especially even with people we’re working with in the last couple weeks, because things are changing. The market is changing, but why is the market changing?

Dick: Well, I think it has something to do with the government forcing these interest rates down.

Eric: Uncle Ben, are you doing it to us again?

Dick: These treasuries are setting new records on the downside, literally daily. So this is really making a difference and putting a lot of pressure on the annuity companies, and obviously banking instruments too, to lower rates dramatically.

Eric: Right. I mean we look at what has happened and I’m going to blame Europe, because they’re not here in the room with us, but the pressures of what’s happening with Greece and Spain and the euro and the flight to safety has been the flight to the United States. Bring us all your dollars, your euros, your yen. We’ll take them all and it’s pushing down the fed, the 10-year treasury is down 25%, from the beginning, just a couple of months ago.

Dick: So the big question gets down to do we jump in and do an annuity now for timing issues or do we wait for the rates to increase? Just recently, Bernanke has indicated that we’re likely to see this low rate environment, for three to five years. It wasn’t very long ago he was talking about the next year or two.

Eric: Yeah, it started it was going to be—when they started making these announcements telling us, giving us the information on how long they’re going to… it was 2013, then it became 2014, and then his latest statement is 2015. So now we’re in a—I don’t want to say **guaranteed low rate environment.

Dick: Yes, so how long do we wait for retirement? How long do we wait for these rates to change? Retirement isn’t always, say a choice. I mean there are a lot of reasons why we retire, and sometimes we just need to make that decision, because we need the income or we need the safety of the money. There are many reasons that we would move some money into an annuity.

Eric: Right and I think that’s the key. Why are you putting money into the annuity? If you need income and you don’t want to have to have that worry about outliving your money that’s where the strength of the annuity still lies. Now are we starting to see annuity companies start to pull benefits off the table?

Dick: Last week we had what three or four of them? Major companies start to pull back and just yesterday maybe, we were notified again?

Eric: I’ve seen two today of companies that have made announcements that within the next week to two weeks they are reducing their benefits.

Dick: And how many people have we met with over the past year or two that said that they were going to wait for things to go up?

Eric: Yes. I can remember two years ago when, oh my, gosh it was at 4.50% in the caps and they were like, “You know it’s going to go up to 5.0%. I’m going to wait till it’s a 5.0%.” Right now people would kill for 4.50%. So it’s trying to predict the market on that side, you just can’t do it, if you’ve got a crystal ball… What we’ve got though is we’ve got **guarantees of the fed. That’s probably not a **guarantee.

Dick: I was going to roll with you on the **guarantees. I was going a different way.

Eric: Prediction by the fed that basically, “Hey, we’re going to keep rates at a low level.” So timing-wise, do we wait? Well, if it’s income…

Dick: Then we should not wait, because the **guarantees that are offered right now on annuities for this income account, for the rollup to create a larger income in deferral is still excellent, and it’s about to take another step back.

Eric: It’s still better than what you’ll get in other areas sometimes, but the annuities excel right now with income. Guaranteeing a rollup and deferral, those are the pieces that really are superior. The lifetime income benefits versus some of the other pieces.

Dick: And if you need immediate income there is the possibility of using a hybrid, as some type of an inflation hedge or using an immediate annuity that has a **guaranteed cost of living adjustment. So there’s no reason not to consider going forward, if it’s that time to retire with immediate income or putting money aside for deferred income, because this is where the annuities really do shine.

Eric: Exactly. All right now so if I wanted to buy an annuity for growth, I’m trying to get the most bang for my buck in the sense of return, should I still buy an annuity now or should I consider other alternatives?

Dick: Yeah, we have a bridge to nowhere and we have an annuity in a package deal, right now. No, Eric. I say if you want growth we really have to think outside of the box. I think that we can still utilize safe money vehicles and use insurance companies for this, but I think that we need to be looking at more the secondary annuities, these would be like, pre-owned or pre-issued annuities, and you can find yields all over the internet.

Eric: Pre-owned, is that like buying a pre-owned car, a pre-owned annuity?

Dick: It’s certified. Actually, it is certified by the court. They’re court ordered. So they’re very, very safe. It’s backed by the insurance company, or the annuity company, the same as a standard annuity. Someone actually bought an annuity. Decided for whatever reason they did not need this annuity and they sold it on the secondary market.

And so by doing that, it can create a much higher yield. So we’ve been able to help different ones with yields in the neighborhood of between 5.0-6.0%. However right now, you see on the internet, you see advertised a lot, if you know where to look, somewhere in that 4.0-5.0% range. It just depends on the source that you have for these annuities. Another one would be that you could get growth. What would be another area?

Eric: Well, as you say, sticking with similar life insurance, in the sense of you’ve got life settlements, now. Life settlements are a little bit more unique in the sense of you’re buying life insurance that somebody decided that they didn’t need. Usually, it’s that someone purchased it and it was for a spouse and the spouse predeceased them. So they have a life policy they no longer need, so there’s more benefit to them by actually selling it on the secondary market, than cashing it out sometimes.

Dick: Right. So you know you’re going to get paid out on that and you know it’s **guaranteed by the insurance company that’s behind it, so it’s relatively safe, very safe actually.

Eric: You’re basically buying—you and usually a group of people are buying the premium. You’re paying the premium, in exchange for the death benefit, so you don’t necessarily always know when…

Dick: You never know when somebody is going to pass.

Eric: The people that underwrite these basically go in and they calculate, look at the life expectancy.

Dick: Of their life expectancy.

Eric: Usually they try to time it to 3-4-5 years, so you could expect it to happen, but you can’t **guarantee it. You’re putting this down, knowing you’re going to get this. You just don’t know how long it’s going to take.

Dick: So you always know that you’re going to have an increase in the money. You just don’t know what the percentage of the yield will be, based on the timing.

Eric: Right. You know you’re going to get the death benefit. You just don’t know when it is coming. You’ve also gotten another life insurance product. You’ve got your indexed life insurance. Now your caps there have not been impacted nearly to the extent that the annuities have. You’re still looking at caps that 12-14%.

Dick: Yes, and they’ve held up all through the whole financial crisis, so that’s again not for everyone, but it is an area where if you’ve got the right scenario, the right situation you get a pretty darn good growth on that. You do have to pass a medical audit.

Eric: Yeah, you have to be insurable or know somebody that’s insurable.

Dick: Know somebody who is insurable, right. So that’s thinking outside of the box.

Eric: There are alternatives out there, safe money alternatives.

Dick: If you want to earn somewhere in that 5.0% to maybe 7.0% range, and even in some cases it can go into the double digits, but we’re trying to be a little bit more conservative.

Eric: We’re by nature conservative.

Dick: Under, what do we call that, under promise?

Eric: Understate.

Dick: Over deliver.

Eric: That’s right.

Dick: Back to, did you have a point that you wanted to hit there, on something?

Eric: No. I was looking at the article that kind of stimulated the topic for today and talking about the changes, and what’s going on in the annuity market.

Dick: The annuity world out there.

Eric: You’re seeing a lot more of the purchases on the indexed annuity side, and I didn’t know if we were ready for the summary statement in this sense, but it’s basically looking at the changes and there are a lot more people purchasing indexed annuities.

Dick: Right, which are considered the hybrid annuity, so the fixed index annuity.

Eric: We like to personally think we’re responsible for the increases in the annuity market, but in all likelihood, probably not.

Dick: We’re rising a tide, across the nation with them.

Eric: And it’s because of one, the income riders. The ability for in retirement, and then you also have a safety of principal and a hope for gain.

Dick: Right. So you put all those factors together and compare the hybrid annuity or the indexed annuity to just a standard fixed annuity or the variable annuity^#. What we’ve seen is a great increase in the overall rate of sale, of the indexed annuity and the hybrid annuity and a decrease in the fixed annuity, which is paying very low rates right now, and also in the variable annuity^# which introduces the market risk factor.

Eric: People are agreeing with us more and more that they see the benefits of safety of principal and **guarantees, either whether it be, through just the **guarantee of not losing principal or increases in income.

Dick: Right. Well, I think we need to sum it up with—is this a good time to jump in?

Eric: Yes, and no.

Dick: He sounds like me, now.

Eric: If your timing is that you need income, if you want growth, there are vehicles out there that we would encourage you to look at.

Dick: If you want income it’s a definite, that a portion of your portfolio can go towards an annuity and the timing is probably better to move than to wait.

Eric: If you’re retiring now?

Dick: Or in the near future.

Eric: Yeah, as you say, you probably don’t have time to wait.

Dick: So that’s it for today, folks. Thank you for spending time with us.

Annuity Fees – The Nasty Truth

February 27, 2012 By Annuity Guys®

The conventional press has maligned annuities for years due to high fees and surrender charges, as well they should… when they exist. Confused yet? You should be. We have all heard the saying about throwing out the baby with the bath water and the same can be said about annuities. If we group all annuities into the “high fee” category we will be throwing out the baby.

Before we continue our thoughts we must express what we feel is obvious. All financial products have a cost of doing business whether it is a reduction of dividends returned, a fee or a charge. Financial professionals, investment and insurance companies are all compensated for their efforts in assisting you. So as we proceed we are not seeking to find the “free lunch” financial product – we are trying to make sure that you understand what you are paying so that you can make the determination as an informed consumer.

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Dick and Eric discuss annuity fees and some of the hazards and misconceptions of with differing types of annuities.

Annuities come in many “Flavors”

A trip to your local financial professional to select an annuity can seem a lot like a visit to Baskin Robbins… you may end up wishing there were only 31 flavors.

Let start on the most basic level (the chocolate, vanilla & strawberry if you will), here we have variable, immediate and fixed annuities. Variable annuities have fees… lots of them typically. Fixed and immediate annuities typically do not have any fees or charges.

Variable Annuities

Variable annuities all have at the very least mortality and/or expense charges (M&E). This fee pays for the insurance **guarantee, commissions, selling, and administrative expenses of the contract.

Variable Annuity Fee Guide
Annual fee (as % of account value) for:	Number	Typical
The insurance (M&E)	_____%	1.35%
The investments within the annuity	_____%	0.95%
Riders and options	_____%	0.65%
Total annual fee:	_____%	2.95%

What you pay to get out
Surrender charge (as % of withdrawal)	_____%	7%
Years before surrender charge expires	_____	8

Your next questions should be, “What do I get for paying this fee?” You usually get an added death benefit that basically **guarantees that your account will hold a certain value if you die before the annuity payments begin. This typically means that your beneficiary will at least receive the total amount invested even if the account has lost money.

The other expenses in the M&E are just truly that – expenses.

In addition to M&E expenses variable annuities^# (VA) also have management fees on subaccounts. The subaccounts are the mutual fund^{^} choices available within a VA. The management fees are the same as an investment manager’s fees within a mutual fund^{^}. These fees will vary depending on the subaccount options within the annuity. Typically, they will be less than those charged by a managed mutual fund^{^} within the same investment category — though not always.

The fees associated with a VA’s riders and options can increase the cost of the VA significantly, but these are optional. However, I would hazard to say that most of today’s variable annuities^# are sold because of the riders and **guarantees associated with them.

Why would anyone consider a VA with the amount of fees attached, two primary reasons; tax deferral and unlimited market upside potential.

Immediate and Fixed Annuities– the NO Fee Option

For the purpose of our fee discussion when we look at these annuities in their basics forms there are no fees are charges associated with these products. How do the agents and insurance company make money then you ask… similarly to the same way banks make money when you obtain a certificate of deposit. The expenses and cost are figured into the price of doing business by limiting or “managing” what they will return to you in the form of interest or dividends.

What about Equity Index or Fixed Index Annuities

Let me state this emphatically. A fixed index annuity is still a fixed annuity! So there are still no fees. All the index does is offer a choice to tie interest crediting to a gain in an index rather than a fixed number stated by the annuity provider.

Ready for the Chocolate Sprinkles – of Fixed Annuities

Due to the popularity of the income riders on variable annuities^#, fixed annuities have begun to add their own riders – typically for a fee. Some of these annuities are referred to as “Hybrid Annuities” because the riders let you construct an annuity that can combine pieces from the fixed, immediate and variable worlds.

The Ever Popular Hybrid Annuity – Fees can be Tricky

Hybrid annuities typically charge fees for income riders. The income riders typically have fees of less than one percent. However, you need to be sure you know which account the fee is based from. Hybrids with income riders have an account or ledger that tracks the value of the income rider account growth – this account typically grows at a higher percentage than the cash accumulation account.

A key for understanding hybrid account fees is to determine which accumulation total the fee is based upon. Some companies use the number to determine the amount of fee, even though you cannot use this account for a lump sum withdrawal. Other companies use the actual cash accumulation amount to determine the fee. However, the fee is always deducted from the case accumulation account and never from the account.

Why would you pay a hybrid rider fee? Much like the variable income rider, the hybrid rider fee allow for predictability of accumulation for an account geared toward retirement income. The main difference is that the insurance company is assuming the investment risk with a hybrid annuity.

Conclusion

The fees and expenses imposed by some annuities can be costly to own. You have to understand what you are getting for those dollars you are giving up. Annuities of all varieties are basically tools to give you insurance on you income. They are vehicles that are designed to provide a . When utilized correctly they can provide a level of comfort and security for anyone wanting a **guaranteed lifetime income.

Annuities are multifaceted devices that can be key pieces of a savings or retirement plan. Do not let the popular media discourage you from choosing the best decision for your future! Understanding what each annuity fee does empowers you to the best decision for you.

Annuity Guys® Video Transcript:

Dick: We want to clear up some misconceptions maybe about annuities and fees, because you see that in the press a lot don’t you, Eric?

Eric: Oh, the conventional wisdom, everything you read, headlines, “Oh, annuities fees, don’t use them. They’re so bad, nasty, nasty, nasty.”

Dick: Now there is some truth to high fees in annuities. We don’t want to say that there isn’t any aspect of that that needs to be brought out.

Eric: Well, the analogy is throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Dick: Yeah, we don’t want to do that.

Eric: If you’re going to cast all annuities as being bad, then you’re going to lose some good opportunities, because not all annuities if your fee driven, are bad.

Dick: Well, even the annuities that have the higher fees, in the right situation, if they’re presented properly, they may fit certain situations.

Eric: Exactly, usually you’re exchanging a fee for some kind of service or some kind of piece that you’re given.

Dick: Right, so you’re either going to pay a higher fee or perhaps you may earn a little less.

Eric: Let’s deal with the first flavor of what the highest, the typical highest fee annuity, which is the one that is most castigated about and written about, which is the variable annuity^#. Variable annuities typically have higher fees.

Dick: Much higher fees.

Eric: And the reason is…

Dick: They have more upside potential. That’s one aspect of a variable annuity^#, yet the fee structure has to do with mortality, because they have a death benefit.

Eric: A lot of them have a death benefit. Then they also have mutual fund^{^} options, their investment options. So what you’re doing is taking out an annuity wrapper, so to speak and wrapping it around a mutual fund^{^} option.

Dick: And typically Eric, when we have a mutual fund^{^} just an average fee structure for a mutual fund^{^}, is approximately what?

Eric: Oh, you’re getting at least a.50%.

Dick: A half is minimal, pretty much.

Eric: Now I’m not talking about the load expense that you’re going to pay up front, your ongoing expenses could be .50% and usually 1.50%, so those fees exist in either world.

Dick: And I believe according to some data on Morning Star that they kind of look at the average and the average mutual fund^{^}, is somewhere around 1.15% now. It used to be 1.5% not very long ago, but it is right around 1.15%. So you take 1.15% and say on a variable annuity^# your mortality expense, your mortality and your expense ratio, M&E charges, you’re looking at an average of somewhere around maybe 1.50% or so. You put that with 1.15%, now you’re pushing you’re pushing 3.0%.

Eric: And then you start adding on the riders and that’s where the variable annuities^# get really expensive, but that’s the…

Dick: That’s the **guarantee part of a variable annuity^#.

Eric: Exactly, those are usually what most people are sold on, when they buy a variable annuity^#. You want that insurance on your investment.

Dick: Right. So if the investments are not performing very well, obviously those fees are going to eat in pretty quick to the principal. In addition if you’re taking money out, so the principal may be at a little more risk, but the income is not or the potential for your heirs with a death benefit, because of the rider on the variable annuity^#.

Eric: Right, but that’s typically the one thing we see out there when people are looking at fees, they’re looking at that variable annuity^# and so you can have variable annuities^# as low as .25% and as high as over 5.0%, if you start adding on all those riders.

Dick: It really adds up fast.

Eric: So there’s your high fee option. If you’re fee adverse knowing that your principal’s at risk and some other things with the variable knowing how they work, you have to make the educated choice.

Dick: Right, right and then a lot of times all annuities as we started out saying, in the press you tend to see annuity, high fee, but there are a lot of annuities that have no fees.

Eric: Exactly and when you look at fixed annuities and immediate annuities there are no fees.

Dick: There is no fee. It’s kind of known that you’re not, maybe going to earn as much—when I say you’re not going to earn as much; you’re don’t have as much earning potential, as you would have maybe in a variable annuity^#, where it can earn as high as the market goes. You may have a declared interest rate in a fixed annuity or you may have an index option, which indexes to a popular S&P or Dow Jones or something of that nature.

Eric: And those are your low fee/no fee options. People say, “How do you get paid? How do those places make money if there are no fees?” Well, it’s the same way a CD at a bank. The bank doesn’t say, “Oh, I’m going to charge you a fee. I have to pay the salary of the guy that sold it to you.” It’s all factored in as a part of the price of doing business. It’s all built-in to that expense. So what you’re earning on that annuity is truly all, basically earnings. There are no fees that are taken out of those products.

Dick: So I think that’s one thing that we just want to clarify, is that when you are buying an annuity that there are some annuities that really virtually have no fees. They protect your principal. They maybe don’t have as much upside potential. They’re purchased for other reasons than just the potential of a high return. They are purchased for safety, for a more secure retirement vehicle, and those are the ones that do not have fees.

Eric: Now when we talk about fixed annuities and we say there are no fees there is of course the mystical hybrid annuity, which is built off of a fixed annuity chassis, in the sense of your principal is not at risk. However, there are fees associated typically through the riders.

Dick: Yes, there are.

Eric: That is one of the things, when you look at a fixed annuity you can’t just throw the blanket over the fixed annuity and say none of them have fees.

Dick: There are some fees.

Eric: Because if you’re going for that hybrid option, which has basically, an income rider or a long-term care rider, if you’re adding a rider on, that’s where you are going to potentially see fees.

Dick: Right. I do think that we have to add the caveat that the fees typically are very low on the indexed annuity, under 1.0% as a rule, and sometimes some of those riders come with no fee involved. We do want to make that clear.

Eric: Exactly, so it’s understanding, if the rider that you’re buying gets you further to what you’re trying to accomplish with either your savings plan or your retirement cash flow plan, those are the times you’re willing to give up some of that upside or you’re willing to pay for that **guarantee. It’s insurance on your money. It’s insurance on your retirement plan.

Dick: Well, you know that you can potentially by buying a rider, by paying a fee, say it’s a .50% or .75% something of that nature, you know that you can **guarantee that your income potential could double in 10-years of what you would have today, just by buying that rider. That could be money very well spent.

Eric: Well, you’re putting a **guarantee of your future income in the bank. You’re banking on that retirement dollar being there, you’re buying an income stream. That’s what those riders are designed for. They’re designed for income, not for accumulation. If you’re designing them for accumulation, you’re being sold a bag goods, because that’s not what they’re for. They’re income riders, for your future income.

Dick: Exactly. Well Eric, I don’t know that if we’ve cleared up everything on fees, today.

Eric: Well, not necessarily everything. I guess the one thing we should in closing with the hybrid annuity. There is one caveat that you always have to be careful, when you’re working with your adviser you want to ask, “Is the fee based off of the cash account or the accumulation account?” Now we’re not going to explain that in this video, because it would take us another 30 minutes.

Dick: But there’s another part of that I want to give a little clarity to and that is that the fee never comes out of the income account, so even though we haven’t gotten into the detail of the income account and the cash accumulation account, we’ve done that in some other videos. That the fee always comes out of the cash account, so it reduces your cash value, but the income account has whatever the compounding amount is in there, say if it’s 8.0%, it’s not deducted. There is nothing deducted. So now we’ve really confused you.

Eric: I was going to say, “Now we’ve confused you.”

Dick: You have to watch our next video.

Eric: Perfect time to call your financial adviser or to give us a call.

Dick: Or give us a call.

Eric: Thanks very much for watching.

Dick: Thank you.