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Are Annuity Complaints on the Rise?

January 18, 2014 By Annuity Guys®

Mom always said; “If you don’t have anything good to say, don’t say anything at all.”

Well, we want you to know that this rule does not apply to annuities. As Annuity Guys®, we may be a tad-bit more sensitive to reading the negativity spewed by some writers when it comes to annuities; however, it does appear that any increase in complaints by investors or consumers just comes down to one particular type of annuity – the variable annuity^#.

Watch as Dick and Eric discuss complaints on annuities and other financial products.

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**Guarantees, including optional benefits, are backed by the claims-paying ability of the issuer, and may contain limitations, including surrender charges, which may affect policy values. During this segment, Dick and Eric are referring to Fixed Annuities unless otherwise specified.

Overall, annuity complaints actually decreased in 2013, but for the popular media it appears to be a lot more fun to talk about the high commissions, high fees, and bad advisors that offer theses products. You really have to dig to find an article that compares the number of complaints from mutual fund^{^}s and stock transactions — which far outpace those from annuity sales.

As Annuity Guys®, we are on record as stating that an annuity is not where you should put all your money, but it can be a great location to place dollars that will used to fund retirement income. Annuities are a financial tool and when used properly can alleviate risk to your portfolio.

You would never guess this article cites the fact that nine out of ten annuity owners are at least somewhat satisfied…

Angry Annuity Clients Seek Damages

By Matthew Heimer

When stock markets are humming along nicely, customers are less likely to complain about their brokers and financial advisers: 2013 was on pace to be the fourth year in a row of sharp declines in the number of arbitration cases filed with the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (Finra), the brokerage industry’s self-regulatory body. But as Matthias Rieker reports this week in The Wall Street Journal, complaints about one kind of investment remain stubbornly high. The outlier: Variable annuities.

Variable annuities usually offer a retirement saver a **guaranteed future payout, along with a chance of increasing the value of the saver’s initial investment depending on how markets perform; investments in many of these annuities can be tax-deferred. But they’ve long exasperated consumer advocates because of their relatively high commissions and fees, along with their often-impenetrable rules about what, exactly, an investor’s account is worth at any given time.

As Rieker reports, “In 2012, the variable annuity^# was the only class of security for which arbitration claims increased”; last year, the total number of annuity complaints dropped about 20%, but complaints in other asset categories dropped far faster. […Read More at MarketWatch]

Video Transcription:

Dick: And I’m Dick.
Eric: Hello, I’m Eric and we’re the annuity guys.
Dick: Well, Eric, are annuity complaints on the rise.
Eric: No… Yes.. No… Ours? no!
Dick: Depends on which annuity complaints you want to talk about. Eric: And that’s exactly the case. And then we see the black eye of the industry coming out in the open ever again with the old variable annuity^#.
Dick: Well, and that’s something that has been on the rise are variable annuity^# complaints and it runs the gammon from the fees and the surrender charges and loosing money when stocks go the wrong way.
Eric: You can loose money.
Dick: But what’s very interesting is the fixed annuities which would take in that hybrid annuity and everything. We’ve seen those complaints go down steadily. They kinda of hit the peak somewhere around 2006 – 2007; roughly around 200 complaints. And folks, when you think about this, 200 complaints over ten of thousands of folks that buy annuities in a given year; that’s not a lot of complaints. But now, they’ve actually tapered down. Fixed indexed annuities sales have been way up and their complaints have tapered down to – last year – i think around 54 complaints for the entire year.
Eric: Even when we look at the variable annuity^# complaints – one hundred sixty-five complaints on variable annuity^#.
Dick: That is not a huge number.
Eric: And we should very clearly clarify here that when somebody complains about annuity, it’s typically not because of the annuity design, it’s not the insurance company; unfortunately, it’s guys like us. Dick: Annuity guys.
Eric: Annuity guys or people that want to be annuity guys…
Dick: I beg your pardon.
Eric: -Who don’t fully understand the product. They don’t explain it very well, so they have consumers confused and they don’t know which direction they’re going; and their inability to articulate what product….
Dick: And Eric, this does not show up later when the person has the policy ans they have some need. They need to get additional money or they need to turn their income on or whatever; and it does not work the way they were told that was supposed to work.
Eric: They get caught with the sizzle side perhaps; the 5 percent **guaranteed roll up for income and deferral.
Dick: Or they though they’re going to earn 5 percent every year, **guaranteed. They see their account dropped a couple of years in a raw and they’re like “hey, this is not what I bought?”
Eric: That’s right! “That’s not what you’re told me”… and that’s where the complaints come from. And I guess, really to be fair to the annuity industry, we should say the number of complaints in comparison to the mutual fund^{^}s…
Dick: Or the securities industry… and that literally, looking at the reports that we’ve been looking at I think the SEC last year had over ten thousand total complaints. Now, that’s a lot of complaints. And we tend to not see that. What’s interesting about this is that we don’t see that in this financial articles a lot; we don’t a lot who talked about that.
Eric: I think we don’t want to talk about the thing we don’t want to know.
Dick: But we see a lot of talk about “ohh, this annuity this, this annuity that.” And I’ve seen now that the populous has become a little more educated about annuities; a little more understanding us out there; I’m seeing less of these negative articles showing up.
Eric: Well, I wish I could say I see less of that. Maybe I’m drawn to… it’s like everybody has a newspaper article or blog like to pick on it. The topic of this one, “Angry annuity client seek damages.” Now, that does not say “you know, really…” If you look at proportion, it’s not nearly as bad as the people with stocks that are three, four or five times as many complaints. It’s people…. the highlights….
Dick: It crabs attention and it sells advertising; and this is part of the industry. And folks, really, when you get down to why annuities are so popular and why they have so few complaints? It is because they actually do the opposite of what the market does; they make your money safe.
Eric: Right. Safety first.
Dick: It’s right.
Eric: And that’s why i always qrench when I see people that have newspaper articles – I’m not going to mention their names because they don’t deserve the heck. They’re like ohh, I like the brokers advice until they recommended an index annuity.
Dick: You would not be thinking about Malcolm Berko.
Eric: Yes, I would. I’m thinking of him too. It gives us bad names because we are in the index annuity world; we understand how they work, we understand where the benefits are and unfortunately, people that don’t live in our world…
Dick: And if you’re just, as Bill O’Reilly says “fair and balance”, there are ways that annuities can be used wrong, ways that are used correctly; they’re just simply a financial tool.
Eric: That’s exactly right. Annuities are great way to make sure you don’t live too long. It’s longevity, it’s guarding against outliving your money and we talked about that being the strength in the cornerstone.
Dick: The principle of protection; protecting what you’ve put into an annuity in terms of premium and you know that you’ll never go backwards – we’re talking about fixed annuity – and obviously, the variable is.
Eric: And we have some issues of the variable annuities^# ourselves because we don’t like to loose money and we don’t like for our clients to loose money.
Dick: Yes, we don’t like for our clients to loose money. So, are they on the rise or it depends on rather you’re talking about which type of annuity?
Eric: It depends if you’re in our office because in our office, not so much.
Dick: The complaints are under control.
Eric: That’s right.
Dick: Thank you.

Give Money to an Internet Annuity Advisor! Are You Crazy?

November 16, 2013 By Annuity Guys®

We don’t work with crazy people (okay, maybe a couple, LOL), but we do work with a lot of sincere folks who first met us; after doing some internet research and then turned over a sizeable portion of their life savings in return for some annuities!

So, is this crazy or wise? It is really decided by two primary issues: First; working with the most capable advisor when you are choosing and structuring annuities. Second; understanding that you don’t really give your money to any advisor local or national. Your retirement dollars along with millions of other retirement dollars are housed with a financial custodian, such as a brokerage or insurance company, usually hundreds or even thousands of miles away.

We all want the best possible options; whether that be the best car, best house or best retirement annuities. Sometimes, we settle for “what they have” when making choices based upon local convenience. When it comes to your retirement, you should never “settle for what they have.” As a result of the technology that exists today you can work with an annuity advisor without regard to distance one who understands your objectives and can help you identify the best possible options for a safer and more comfortable retirement. Designing a portfolio for retirement should mean a transition from an accumulation advisor to a retirement income advisor. Just like you would not let your local general practitioner perform open-heart surgery on you – you also should consider consulting with a specialist when the challenge of retirement is upon you.

Technology now makes it possible to work face to face with the best retirement and annuity advisors having any distance reduced to just a couple of clicks . This may seem like a radical idea to a few; but for many, it has been nothing more than best practices. Once folks grasp the concept of a financial custodian as the actual caretaker of their money it then becomes much more important to locate a true expert who specializes in annuities so that their initial plan is done absolutely right the first time (with no do-overs!).

According to Investopedia the definition of a “Custodian” is:
A financial institution that holds customers’ securities for safekeeping so as to minimize the risk of their theft or loss. A custodian holds securities and other assets in electronic or physical form. Since they are responsible for the safety of assets and securities that may be worth hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars, custodians generally tend to be large and reputable firms.

So who do you want holding your assets, the advisor or the custodian? If you said the advisor — We cannot help you.

Lastly, who do you want helping you chose the optimal outcome for a safer, more secure and comfortable retirement? The local generalist or an an advisor that specializes in annuities?

Transcription:

Dick: Hello I’m Dick.

Eric; And I’m Eric and we’re the annuity guys.

Dick: Eric, are folks crazy to go out on the Internet and actually hand their money to an annuity specialist?

Eric: They must be crazy for handing it through… for shoving it through the disk or drive. That’s the misnomer; people say I got this chunk of cash; you want me to give it to somebody?

Dick: and folks feel like they’re doing something unusual or something that’s crazy; but when you really start to analyze it in terms of where that money goes and how that money is used effectively for their purposes, it always goes to some other place. It goes to a custodian – a third party. The advantage to working with someone on the Internet that is a true specialist is exactly that.

Eric: You can work with the best versus just working with somebody that’s around the corner because they’re there and I think that’s the challenge most people have to overcome. The reason this topic came up is people often calls us; we’ve referred to an advisor to them; why did you not refer the local guy?

Dick: Well, we love to.

Eric: First of all…

Dick: We’ve tried that.

Eric: We would rather refer the best guy and I’ll tell you what, in our practice we redefine local. Local is not just in our neighborhood; local is fifty states.

Dick: Yes, because local is as quick as a click away.

Eric: That’s right.

Dick: We can talk to an advisor; I can talk to an advisor in Texas; Allen or Rob. I can talk to them faster than I can get you Eric.

Eric: That’s right. A lot of times we can say “hey, Paul…” and Paul is five dials away and me, I’m just stuck behind the door at the back.

Dick: Eric! But that is the truth. And what we got to come back to folks is that technology today has changed everything. It’s all leveled the playing field. You no longer would consider looking around for someone to do an organ transplant locally or you know a serious heart operation or you name it. When it comes to medical elective surgeries, you’ll shop. You get on the internet. You do your research and you jump on the airplane a go where it’s best, and next to…

Eric: Well I was going to say how is retirement planning starting now? Typically with you setting up a 401K or retirement planner or your employer, it’s not like those dollars are just sitting on your bosses top drawer You’re literally setting up those accounts. Most often, they’re configured and then you’re in-charge in making the changes; you’re logging into TD Ameritrade or fidelity or TRowe Price; and you’re manipulating those accounts. Those dollars are not sitting right there; you’re working with a place that’s giving the tools to be more efficient, more affective. The planning tools are there; everything’s online so you have immediate access.

Dick: Right.

Eric: The same as…

Dick: Well, there’s been this consolidation in the annuity industry which is very similar in a sense that everything is coming down to the expert; down to the specialist; down to that aggregator or the person who has the greatest access and availability; and works with more folks and sees more things. And their specialization, their abilities continue to grow and increase; and the local person unfortunately doesn’t have that same advantage.

Eric: Right and we’ve seen many advisory and we always call them accumulation specialists that have done a great job helping you build up your savings to a certain stage. Now it’s time for retirement, well you’re accumulation specialist may not be the same guy that’s going to help you with retirement.

Dick: It takes whole different skill set. And I come back to this whole thing about the healthcare. When it comes down to choosing a specialist, I look at financial situations in people’s lives is being on par, it’s somewhere up there with those health care decision. This is going to be your entire retirement and if you don’t work with somebody who really knows how to get it right in the first place, a having that local guy is not necessarily going to be the best answer.

Eric: Yes and I guess I had never thought about it being heart surgery probably don’t get to do too many do over. They take the one out…

Dick: There’s only one shot.

Eric: Retirements much the same way. You want to compare the best way the first time. So working with somebody the best people possible should be first and foremost in your retirement planning mindset than necessarily working with the guy around the corner.

Dick: Right. And Eric when it comes to referrals, we do work with some folks from our website and we have our local practice but when it comes to referrals we’ve had to basically do the same thing. We’ve had to choose the best of the best!

How to Get Rid of a Bad Annuity

September 28, 2012 By Annuity Guys®

Do you think you made a bad decision on an annuity purchase in the past? Do you think you’re stuck due to surrenders and penalties? What are your options?

Dick and Eric examine the options that most annuity owners do not know about to possibly move out of an annuity that was misrepresented or one that no longer fits their financial objectives.

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It should be noted that prior to surrendering or replacing any annuity, careful consideration of all features, penalties and financial goals of the consumer should be evaluated — this is not a decision to be taken lightly.

Annuity Guys® Video Transcript:

Eric: Today we’re going to talk about how to get rid of a bad annuity. Well Dick, is there such thing as a bad annuity?

Dick: Unfortunately, Eric, there are some bad annuities.

Eric: Oh no, don’t tell me that.

Dick: Just like any other investment you can make a bad decision. You can buy a bad annuity. The best way I’ve found, to not have to get rid of a bad annuity, is just not to buy one.

Eric: If you don’t make the mistake upfront, you don’t have to suffer the consequences.

Dick: Right, right, right. So folks do you research, watch our videos, watch other videos. Just read, look at what’s out there, and just use some good judgment.

Eric: Well, that’s a nice summation. Are we done?

Dick: That’s the video.

Eric: Well, I guess we should define when we talk about bad annuities; it’s really a personal situation. It’s you end up with an annuity that doesn’t fit your financial goals or your objectives.

Dick: And it is possible that your financial goals or objectives change, so maybe the annuity wasn’t bad originally.

Eric: It’s just bad now.

Dick: It’s bad now and the other thing that we find happens, not so much recently as over maybe the past few years the annuities, folks, have went through quite an evolution, and we believe have reached kind of a level.

Where they’ve; I won’t say they’ve plateaued, but they’ve come out with these innovative riders, income riders; they’ve become very competitive with each other and we’ve kind of seen what would seem to be a leveling off of what we could expect for any of these annuities.

Eric: Yeah, and the nice thing is its innovation.

Dick: Yes.

Eric: You’ve got companies, there’s competition for your dollars, they want to design the best product that one, creates a need or satisfies a need for you, and those strategies make you money, make the company money, and that’s really what they’re designed for.

Dick: And unfortunately, if you were one of the early ones in, buying the annuities that were available four or five years ago and you compare it to what’s on the market today, with the contractual **guarantees, you may be a little disappointed.

Eric: It’s buyer’s envy I guess, so if I own one that I bought five, six, seven years ago and it’s not meeting my needs…

Dick: Or let’s say it does meet your needs somewhat, but not as good as some of the newer generations.

Eric: All right, so you want to tackle all these? So I’ve got one of these, how do I go about deciding what’s the next step? First of all, can I get out of a bad annuity?

Dick: Well, the answer to that is always it’s your money and it’s your decision.

Eric: And it may depend on your annuity, if you bought an immediate annuity most of the time…

Dick: That’s true, that’s true, yes.

Eric: That’s my one caveat, that if you own the immediate you pretty much…

Dick: You’ve given up your lump sum, so it is your annuity.

Eric: And that’s why we always talk about that being a make sure that’s the right decision, because usually that’s it.

Dick: So if it’s a deferred annuity there could be some extenuating circumstances, first of all. If it was really genuinely a situation, where that annuity was truly misrepresented to you; it was not what you thought you were buying; there could be some aspects of going back to the company, going back to the agent, but again, this has to be fairly well-documented. That it was misrepresented. So in those situations if it was truly not suitable, it was misrepresented, it is possible that the company would allow you to get out of the annuity with no penalty, also the possibility of litigation, that type of thing, or going through the state insurance department if it was misrepresented, but let’s just say that it was not.

Eric: It was just what was available at the time and it’s it sounded good at the time. How many times have we made a decision based off of this sounded like a good decision at the time and it might have been the best available at the time.

Dick: And now interest rates are low. Maybe your interest rates have dropped on the annuity. The cap rates have dropped. You didn’t get one of the income riders that are now available, so you don’t have those contractual **guarantees. Well, one of the things that I think that you want to look at first of all is how close are you to maturity? Will that annuity be maturing, and all of the surrender charges will be gone soon?

Eric: Now and when we talk about maturity and this is always an interesting thing when I talk about it with consumers, because they say “Well, do I lose my income at the end of that contractual, that maturity period?” Really, it’s a surrender time frame typically is what that contract. You can continue past that surrender schedule period. That annuity’s designed to keep going and going and going until…

Dick: Right, they still have contractual **guarantees in place for the client, even though the money is available surrender and penalty free.

Eric: Right, so when we’re talking about maturity in this case we’re talking about when there are no more penalties that will be incurred by basically, surrender charges.

Dick: So if you feel that your annuity is not what you really wanted, you’re only maybe a year or two away from being out of surrender charges, you may want to wait until that couple of year’s passes. You’ll also have some other alternatives. Even if you’re fairly new into the annuity, within a few years or so into the annuity, there’s things that you can look at, which could be an offset to the annuity that you have, and the surrender penalties, if the new annuity that you were looking at has a bonus or a market value adjustment.

Eric: Now and this is where market value adjustments are really kind of an interesting not well kind of…

Dick: Not well understood.

Eric: … understood. Even by some agents. I mean we’ve seen people that have had problems with understanding them and really they work in two ways.

Dick: Yes.

Eric: They can be and basically they work as an offset, for the insurance company in case of the change of rates, so what we’ve seen is they can either be, in addition to the contract at the time of surrender or a subtraction. Now if the interest rates have gone up…

Dick: They’re typically then going to add to your surrender charge.

Eric: Right, and if the rates have gone down, then we’ve seen here in the last few years…

Dick: Then you would have a positive MVA, where your surrender charge is actually reduced by a fairly large amount on the MVA.

Eric: And I know personally we’ve seen this happen. So it actually creates an opportunity for some people at times, when they’ve had an annuity that they’re not real happy with, and if things have gotten you think, surprisingly if they’ve gotten worse, there’s usually sometimes an opportunity to offset that surrender with that MVA, and the MVA is not the Motor Vehicle Association.

Dick: No, it’s not.

Eric: It is a market value adjustment, which is a mouthful.

Dick: And not all annuities have market value adjustment, so you have to look at the type of annuity. When I say the type of annuity, an indexed annuity, a fixed annuity, all of those can have market value adjustments, but not all do.

Eric: Right, so when we’re talking about this in relationship usually, it’s on a fixed or a fixed index and that’s because of what they’re using to reserve. So they’ve purchased bonds and that’s sitting behind it, and so if they have to sell them early that’s the reason usually most insurance companies use them, market value adjustment.

Dick: And the reason, another reason folks, why they have the market value adjustment is the annuities that do not have a market value adjustment on the annuity, typically cannot pay as high a rate or have as many **guarantees, as the one that has a market value adjustment. They have more latitude in terms of getting higher rates or better **guarantees, so that’s a good reason to use an annuity with a market value adjustment.

Eric: Sure. So there is one way to get rid of a bad annuity possibly, even that still has a surrender involved, because you still may have an offset from an MVA.

Dick: Exactly. Another is the new bonus or a bonus from a new annuity. So that if you have a considerable bonus from the new annuity that can help to offset some of the surrender, combine that with an MVA and the advantages of the new annuity if it makes financial sense, then it can be worth doing.

Eric: And that should be qualified. We’re not suggesting you would transfer from one bad product into another bad product.

Dick: Of course.

Eric: It’s got to meet your financial needs and this would only be something we’d recommend, if you’ve got something that’s not working, it doesn’t fit, this is an area where you can explore some options to basically, see if there’s something better out there.

Dick: Right. Unfortunately, it is a possibility that someone, Eric, would get involved in a bad annuity, and so there has to be different ways that someone could go about alleviating that situation.

Eric: Right and one of the things we’re talking about is using, usually a transfer of an annuity. We’re not talking about doing a withdrawal, and then rolling it into another one, though those are all options, but to avoid bigger taxation penalties even, we’ll typically look at transferring from one annuity company to another. So those things will keep you out of taxation penalties.

Dick: Yes, so I think that probably the best way to really avoid a bad annuity in the first place is to buy a good annuity. Do your research. Make certain that it is going to meet your objectives, and then, even if the newer generation annuity does come along, and does have a few additional advantages, if the original annuity that you set up met your retirement objectives, then there should still be some merit there and some good basis for why that was chosen.

Eric: Exactly, and you don’t want to just throw something. You don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water I guess is the saying, and so make sure you’re not making just a rash decision to get something else.

Dick: That’s right.

Eric: And that’s why these annuities do have surrender charges, they do have these pieces, because they are designed to be long term, lifetime income generating products.

Dick: Make you think twice about messing up your retirement by ending your IRA or your annuity and that’s why these penalties are there.

Eric: Right, so as we say, you usually only get to do retirement once, so do it right.

Dick: That’s right. There are no do-overs in retirement. Thank you.

Eric: Thank you.

Annuity Scams – Fear Factor or Reality?

September 14, 2012 By Annuity Guys®

The Internet is full of warnings and alerts about annuity scams that create the appearance of industry run amok with fraud. Should you be fearful of annuities and the people who sell them?

Dick and Eric delve into annuity scams and alerts in this weeks blog entry.

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For more information on Avoiding scams we have provided and excerpt from Dick’s book – The New Retirement.

Avoiding Scams

The SEC also offers advice on how to avoid scams. In the financial services industry, there are many scams. And unfortunately, every year a great many individuals fall victim to these frauds and lose some – or even all – of their savings. So, here are some of the things that investors can do that may help in preventing them from falling victim to a scam.

Ask questions and then verify the answers to those questions. Many scam artists will rely on the fact that a great many people simply do not follow up or investigate important information prior to placing their money in an annuity, investment, or other financial opportunity. It is simply not enough to ask the advisor for more information, as it would only be more of the same fraudulent “facts.” Instead, check out the information from other sources, verify then trust. Take some time to really research the investments and other products that are being offered in order to make sure they are what the advisor has said they are.

Research all companies before investing in them. Prior to investing in a company’s stock or other opportunity, one should fully understand that company’s business and its products or services. Before purchasing any shares of stock in particular, be sure to read over the company’s financial statements on the SEC’s website. It is possible to also contact each states securities regulator. Most companies are required to file financial statements with the SEC and states they are doing business in.

Know the advisor. As mentioned, spend some time doing research on any financial services representative before doing any investment of any money at all. This includes finding out if the advisor is correctly licensed and if he or she or the firm has had any disciplinary issues with regulators or clients.

Be skeptical about unsolicited offers. Should one receive a call or an email from an advisor out of the blue regarding any type of investment, be sure to research both the advisor and the investment opportunity offered.

Remember, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Compare any promised returns with actual current returns on well-known stock indexes.

There is no such thing as **guaranteed returns in securities, so be careful. Even the safest of investments or financial opportunities carries with it some degree of risk. Typically, this will correlate with the return that can be expected on the investment. In other words, if money truly is perfectly safe, then it is likely headed for a lower return. Likewise, just the opposite is true as well; if high returns are promised, there is probably going to be a great deal of risk involved, too.

Pretty marketing materials do not mean that a firm or advisor is legitimate. Pretty websites and brochures are fairly easy to make in this day and age. In fact, a nice looking simple website can be created in just a few hours. Therefore, just because a company or advisor has nice-looking marketing materials, it does not mean that they are offering legitimate financial opportunities.

Do not cave in to pressure to invest immediately in a “great opportunity.” Scam artists will often tell their victims that they are offering a one-time-only opportunity and that if an investment isn’t made immediately, the client will lose out forever. Here again, research the “opportunity” prior to investing any money.

In any case, being an educated investor or consumer will be the best defense against scams. So take the time to do homework before putting money anywhere. It will be more than worth the effort to do so.

Annuity Guys® Video Transcript:

Dick: Eric, our topic today is one that I’ve been thinking about for a long time.

Eric: You trying to figure out the best scam you could run on somebody?

Dick: Well, when we start talking about annuities and folks, a lot of you found us by going on the internet, and you did a google search and you searched some term, and you brought up our website. So when you did that you probably, since you’ve been out there looking into annuities and things about annuities, you probably experienced a lot of material that, I would say an inordinate amount of material that warn can you about scams. Scams on annuities and this type of thing, and we’d just like to talk about that.

Eric: Yeah, if you’ll look at the sidebar, up and the ads around the thing when you search for the term annuity. They’re like, “Alert! Scam! Beware!”

Dick: Senior alerts, retirement scam alerts.

Eric: Everybody wants to pile on the negative, and you know why, because you click.

Dick: Right, it gets your interest.

Eric: It’s like everybody who wants to watch the car accident as you drive by. For some reason, negative sale sells and in this case scams; alerts are what draws people in so it’s a marketing term.

Dick: It is true that there really are scams, so it’s not as if we want it say, that you don’t ever have anything to be concerned about, but on the other hand you kind of want to understand, what’s really the driving forces, behind the information that you see on the internet.

Eric: Right, and financial services have gotten a black eye a lot lately, because you’ve got Madoff, you’ve got these big name accounting, not accounting firms but…

Dick: Investment firms and the like.

Eric: That people have run off with the money, millions of dollars.

Dick: Right and let’s be really frank. These large schemes that people put over on unsuspecting victims literally, they’re not that easy to discern. They’re not that easy to know, what’s really going down, underneath. I mean if you were to look up Madoff’s character at the time when he was flying high you probably wouldn’t find any fault with him.

Eric: One of the most respected guys in the investment world at the time. Unfortunately, they have all studied Ponzi schemes and that’s basically what they’re doing, they’re taking one person’s money and passing it off up the chain.

Dick: One thing Eric, that you and I have frequently told our clients, it’s just a standard theme. Always beware if an adviser asks you to make a check out with their name on it, so Madoff, a lot of people were making out checks to Bernard Madoff and his investment company directly to him. He had more or less full custody, full control over their money, and so at least there should be some red flags going up.

Eric: In fact one of the things when we’re doing paperwork here in the office, I’ll tell the person, “If anybody ever tells you to make a check payable to them, you run as fast as you can.” Here, you’re working with a company. And I don’t want to throw company names out there necessarily, but you’re making the check typically payable, to the insurance company or the investment company. Those are where those checks should be going not to the individual, even though that person is your adviser and you have complete trust in them, you still don’t make the check payable to them.

Dick: It’s a safeguard. Its checks and balances, and so now, if we switch gears from a lot of the big Ponzi type schemes, and the investment company scams that take place, and we switch over to annuities. Annuities are highly regulated by state insurance departments. These are companies that are perhaps 50 to 100 years old.

Eric: Most of them are…

Dick: Older.

Eric: Have significant time spans that they’ve been in existence for.

Dick: There are third party ratings that you can look at, folks that will tell you following them over a long period of years, how they have fared, how well they have done. It’s really a different realm when you get into annuities with the protections and the regulation that’s involved, and yet there have been some accusations of scams with annuities.

Eric: By whom?

Dick: Well, primarily what we run into and what we read in the news are those that go after the older people, the senior citizens.

Eric: The unsuspecting person that should never have bought an annuity.

Dick: In the first place.

Eric: The scam there is basically, it’s the suitability of the product for the individuals. It’s somebody taking advantage of somebody’s, I don’t want to say diminished mental capacity perhaps or just not understanding the product and how it works. That’s one of the things we stress a lot. You buy what you know and what you understand. There is nothing wrong with needing to understand how a product works before you purchase it.

Dick: Right, equip yourself. Do your research. Understand how third party rating agencies work. Look at the background of the annuity company and then you have to have a certain mind about your own finances, in the sense of how much do you put into an annuity.

We often say if an adviser tells you, you need everything in annuities you should run the other way. So there’s this balance of allocating the proper amount. In fact, you want the least amount in annuities as a rule that will produce the maximum amount of income that you need.

Eric: We talked about the foundational aspect. You know having a secure foundation. That’s what we utilize. We don’t want to put more in than you have to, but we want to protect a certain amount.

Dick: And on the other hand, there are reasons why folks use annuities. It could be for avoiding probate or just safety of the money and a reasonable growth on that money to get it over to heirs. You just have to weigh over what your purpose for that money truly is, and not let somebody talk you into something that is not going to be good.

Eric: Right and in the scam aspect with annuities, oftentimes we hear the things that really if you hear them on their face, they’re too good to be true; you know **guarantees of unlimited potential.

Dick: And no downside risk. I mean we do agree there is no downside risk, but when you couple that with unlimited upside potential, it’s not true.

Eric: Right. When you hear something that sounds too good to be true, it often is, is the rule of thumb. Somebody that doesn’t play out for your, layout rather, both the positives and the negatives of a product, really isn’t giving you the full picture. We all like to paint a rosy picture of what you can do on this side, but there is a reality of what actually will happen, and you need to understand all those, when you’re working with an annuity and any financial property.

Dick: Right and you know something that probably many different ones that have experienced or been invited to these free lunch and free dinner seminars…

Eric: Oh, those scams? Free food scams?

Dick: Are those scams?

Eric: Of course, they are.

Dick: What if it’s good food?

Eric: Well, then it’s good food, but still, nobody buys an annuity over dinner.

Dick: I would think it might be a scam, if I was really going to buy an annuity over dinner.

Eric: Never sign the check if it’s if the know that it’s free. No, when you hear about the free food and the free dinner aspects we always laugh, because from an advisory standpoint it’s a way of getting people and talking to a room of people, and that’s why you see them out there. It should be really thought of as an educational seminar, but it’s just like when you get that call to go see a time share. “Oh, we give you a free weekend in this great sunny…” The expectation is you’re going to sit through the sales presentation.

Dick: Right and that’s what you’re getting with the free dinner or free lunch. You may get some valuable knowledge about something, you may have a nice meal, but you are going to be asked to set an appointment.

Eric: Right, it’s the expectation. When you get something you’re expected that law of reciprocity, that see people want something back from you, and so don’t be surprised when you’re asked.

Dick: Yeah, and I think, folks that there’s really nothing wrong with that, when it’s done correctly without that scam aspect to it, where someone is trying to do something that is not legitimate, sell something that is not legitimate or talk you into something that is not suitable or just target people over 70, or something of that nature, because they’re easier to sell an annuity to. So I think that as long as you’re aware, that you look at both sides of the equation. You do a little research then your potential for being scammed in these situations is greatly minimized.

Eric: That’s right. It’s all about educating yourself, being realistic in what you’re getting. Going back to what we said, “If it’s too good to be true, it probably is.” The same goes for somebody sitting through any presentation, whether it be annuities, investments, whatever. We’ve all been sold that bridge that goes to nowhere, right?

Dick: Folks, never tie up more money than you can afford to tie up in annuity. Make sure you have liquidity. If somebody comes along and starts talking to you about the mortgage on your home to buy an annuity, reverse mortgage, this type of thing, it would be the rarest of occasions that that would have any validity. So you want some red flags to go up and think about it. That would go for any investment you know, “Hey, mortgage your home and here’s an investment.” I mean there may be certain situations where that would be warranted, but it would be very rare.

Eric: And let us tell you there are places that you can go online and the internet is a great tool to investigate if you think something is a scam or you’re concerned about the broker, the company, there’s ways of researching all of those pieces.

Dick: Let’s just reiterate just a little bit about what we started out talking about, and that is that many times on the internet, you’re going to see a lot of stuff that talks about scams and the real intent is just to sell you an annuity. So you have to see that thinly-veiled marketing aspect and it’s everywhere. It’s very pervasive.

Eric: People are just trying to get in front of you is really what they’re trying to do. Take your time, educate yourself. One of my favorite sayings is, “You only get to do retirement once, so make sure you do it right.”

Dick: No do-overs. You know I just might mention that, for any of you that would like, you can go on, you may have already had access to it, but you can get my book, which does have some interesting chapters in it that talk about annuity scams and talk about [unintelligible 00:12:04] and the SEC and how they can help you, also about advisers, the different types of advisers.

Eric: The broker-check pieces, and how you can investigate an adviser, excellent.

Dick: So, use that.

Eric: Thank you for visiting today. Have a good day.

Dick: Thank you. ‘Bye, now.

The Love Hate Annuity Relationship

August 17, 2012 By Annuity Guys®

Every financial product has negatives and positives, how these products are presented or utilized by companies and advisors can lead to a vast array of emotions and opinions…. Hence, annuities are no stranger to this love/hate relationship.

Dick and Eric discuss some of the rumors that annuities face that often lead to the conflicting opinions among individuals considering an annuity in retirement.

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Below are some excepts of an article by “Coach Pete” D’Arruda president of Capital Financial Planning and host of Financial Safari Radio broadcast the stimulated the idea foe this weeks commentary. [Full Article]

Annuities Have a Negative Perception

Despite their benefits, annuities have received negative attention over the years for a number of reasons, including rival products seeking to discredit them, poorly constructed products in the space and inappropriate sales of the products. It is imperative potential annuity investors have all the right information on hand to make an informed decision.

While annuities are not for everyone, those who can benefit from them should not let common misconceptions dissuade them from using an annuity as part of a comprehensive financial plan.

The Top 5 Rumors About Annuities

Every issued annuity is a variable annuity^#.
The impact of inflation is too great for fixed annuities.
With penalties and surrender charges, annuities are just too expensive.
Never use your IRA money to invest in an annuity.
With a big name comes a better return.

Remember that securing **guaranteed retirement income in this volatile, low-rate environment is difficult – but not impossible. Do your research, tune out the conflicting opinions and don’t be afraid to ask the tough questions of your financial planner. It’s absolutely possible an annuity should be part of your financial plan. Get your hands on an Annuity Owner’s Manual before purchasing an annuity and learn the good, the bad, and the fine print before you ever invest your money. [Read the Full Article]

Annuity Guys® Video Transcript:

Eric: Today we’re going to talk about the love/hate relationship that people have with annuities.

Dick: Why does that happen? I mean what is this love/hate relationship? But it really is there.

Eric: It is. We were reflecting on an article by Coach Pete, who’s on radio in the financial safari down there in North Carolina.

Dick: His radio station is really picked up all across the nation too, so a lot of people hear him.

Eric: He gets questions occasionally. One of the questions was, “What’s the true story?” Talking about the negativity of some of the annuities. Really, it’s looking at why annuities are so negatively portrayed in the media and these attempts to discredit annuities sometimes by their rival products.

Dick: I think it’s also important to recognize that there are these positive articles about annuities. There’s a lot of emphasis, even from the federal government, now that annuities could make a big difference. But yet we get a lot of negative press.

Eric: Sure. If you think about it, annuities compete for the same slice of the pie as mutual fund^{^}s, stocks, bonds, and CDs. I mean all those pieces are options for people when they’re trying to determine where to put their retirement dollars.

Dick: Do you think that some people just might try to color it, I mean the wrong way, for personal gain?

Eric: I have never seen a mutual fund^{^} company advertise ever. Well, maybe . . . You have to realize there are competing opinions, and everybody wants to think that theirs is the best. Yes, insurance companies compete against investment companies and the such. So there are conflicting opinions and approaches. You see sometimes people tend to go negative. We’re in the political campaign era. We don’t see any negative campaigning going on. I think that’s part of or one of the reasons that some people have such a negative opinion about annuities. That creates that hate relationship.

Dick: From our own perspective, when we’re working with folks that are just kind of entering that realm of understanding annuities, many of their questions center around variable annuities^# because that’s all they’ve read about in the press. They don’t know the difference between the variable and the fixed and the immediate. They pick up this negative connotation that’s continually put out there by the press.

Eric: His first point was, yeah, every annuity is a variable annuity^#. Well, that’s not true, but a lot of people confuse especially the variable annuity^# and the fixed indexed annuity.

Dick: Correct. They have some similarities.

Eric: Exactly. If you use the S&P as a benchmark, well the S&P is an investment product, right? So they think that it’s invested in the S&P.

Dick: Yet a fixed annuity is just what it says. It’s fixed. It’s safe. Your principal is **guaranteed, which is the opposite of the VA.

Eric: Exactly. In a variable annuity^#, your principal can go up and down with the performance of the underlying sub-accounts or the investment accounts.

Dick: Where with a fixed indexed, you’re not really invested into that index. You’re just using it as a gauge of rising and falling.

Eric: Exactly. That’s where the confusion comes in. It’s not necessarily a fixed return that you’re going to get with an indexed annuity. But the safety aspect of every fixed annuity out there, the worst you’ll do is a zero on the return.

Dick: Your principal is always protected.

Eric: It’s protected.

Dick: The other thing, Eric, that we run into a lot with the VAs is the idea that, “Hey, aren’t these annuities all high fees?”

Eric: Right. With a fixed annuity, everything’s built in. It’s what you put in is what goes in. There’s no load fee. That confuses the mutual fund^{^} aspect. “Well, what’s the load I have to pay? What’s the upfront cost?”

Dick: Sure. Right.

Eric: With fixed annuities, it’s all factored into the performance of the product. What you put in actually goes into your annuity.

Dick: I do find that from folks that are just setting up an annuity that they are kind of amazed. “Okay, so I give you $100,000 or I give this company $100,000 and then they give me a bonus. I start off with $105,000 or $110,000 in this annuity. And I don’t owe you anything?”

Eric: Yeah. “How much do I have to pay for that?” The insurance company has already factored that into the program.

Dick: Right. Yet, it is a little different with the variable annuity^#, or a lot different, we should say. I’m just saying in the sense of the fee structure. With the variable annuity^#, the fees are going to be right there on your statement. For the most part, you’re going to somewhere from 3% to 5% maybe, depending on the riders.

Eric: Depending on the riders. I mean you could get one of the barebones ones that have very low fees. But most of them, if you’re really looking at the income **guarantees or the death benefit **guarantees, you’re going to have significantly higher fees.

Dick: Yes.

Eric: All right. Rather than just focusing on the variables, we can talk about some of the other misconceptions. What about inflation? Can a fixed annuity combat inflation?

Dick: I think the answer to that is obviously yes.

Eric: Why is that obviously yes?

Dick: Well, there are different ways that you can either defer a fixed annuity with a very high rollup rate, high growth rate for future income. You know that when you turn that income on, that’s going to be an offset against inflation. Yet, there are also ways to actually have cost-of-living adjustments.

Eric: The other aspect that combats inflation is if you’re looking at something that’s going to be in the equities market, you have risk involved with the volatility of the market. That’s one of the things. You don’t have to worry about inflation on the side of you haven’t worried about taking a loss.

Dick: Yes. A lot of times there’s just this automatic assumption that if your money is in the stock market, it’s going up 8% a year. If we look at the last 10 or 12 years, you’ve made virtually nothing. There’s also the possibility that your money goes negative. Now how well does that keep up with inflation?

Eric: Oops.

Dick: Not good.

Eric: No, not good at all.

Dick: It’s not good for sleeping at night.

Eric: We’ve talked about, in previous videos, strategies for addressing inflation with annuities, whether it be through laddering. There are tools out there that can help you combat inflation with annuities.

Dick: Right, and I would, folks, recommend that you go back and look at some of the other videos that we’ve done on laddering annuities and various aspects of inflation.

Eric: Sure. All right. The third point he makes is with penalties and surrender charges, annuities are just too expensive. He points out that this is partially true. There are surrenders. There are penalties. Depending on the annuity you select, I mean it can have surrenders. I can think of one off the top of my head that has a 16 year surrender. So they are out there. There are surrenders.

We’ve talked about this also in previous interviews. Why are there surrenders built into it? It’s because these are not short-term products. If you’re buying it for the wrong reason . . .

Dick: Well, these companies have to secure the clients’ money. The money goes into long-term bonds, very high-quality investment vehicles, and US Treasuries. The idea is, to protect everyone, these surrender charges have to be there.

The key to setting up an annuity properly is making sure that it does meet the objective, that it meets the long-term objective. Then you’re not going to be in a situation where you’re going to suffer a penalty or a surrender if it’s done properly.

Eric: Exactly. I think that’s the key. If you look at something that has a ten-year surrender, it’s typically a long-term product. It’s been designed. Annuities are designed for lifetime income. They are safe, secure vehicles that have longevity, basically, as part of the quotient of what they’re built on.

Dick: I think the idea of the 10 years or 12 years or 8 years, whatever the surrender aspect of the annuity is, gives the client a sense of, “Well, if things change or I would change my mind, I have this escape.” But most folks that set up an annuity really look at the benefits way beyond 8 years, way beyond 10 years or 12 years. They want this to carry them through their entire retirement. It truly is a long-term solution to a long-term problem.

Eric: Exactly. That is really the solution it should be solving. It’s not a vehicle where you are going to trade in and out of different annuities each and every other year. If that’s your intent, you’re looking in the wrong spot.

Dick: Right. Go ahead. I was going to say let’s talk about what makes people love their annuities.

Eric: Well, they take out volatility of the market performance. If you’re concerned about volatility, people typically do that. The income aspect, you have for life. There’s a novel idea. Those are the two big ones that jump into my mind right off the bat. So **guarantees . . .

Dick: Safety. I can say this, Eric, from experience with clients, many times going into it the thought of, “Should I do an annuity, shouldn’t I do an annuity,” there’s hesitation. There’s this love/hate because of all of the negative press and propaganda from all directions.

Eric: What’s coming in. Yeah.

Dick: Correct. Yet, what I find is that those folks that actually have an annuity, that have had it for several years, especially those that have come through the financial crisis, that they’re very satisfied. There is an appreciation and a love for that decision that they’ve made. Very seldom is anyone not satisfied.

Eric: I would agree. If you buy it for the right purpose, if it fits like a glove because it satisfies what your need was, then you’ll be happy. That truly is where people who have purchased it and got what they wanted and are happy. If they educate themselves going in and understand what it’s going to accomplish for them, then they will be pleased with an annuity. Most often, you’ll love the fact that you’ve made that decision because, in some ways, it’s sleep medicine.

Dick: Yeah, it is. It’s sleep assurance. It’s sleep insurance in many ways. I know that we could end it right here, but let’s hit it on the other side of it. Let’s talk about the hate. Why would you hate an annuity?

Eric: You bought for the wrong reason. You thought you were going to buy it now thinking the rates were awful, and all of a sudden rates go up higher. “Oh, if I would’ve waited, I could’ve gotten a better rate.”

Dick: Or you like maybe living on the edge a little bit, you know?

Eric: You like volatility.

Dick: You like the up and down of the market, taking that calculated risk, hoping for the best.

Or you’ve got this discretionary money that you could put into the market. It wouldn’t hurt anything. You stuck it in an annuity, and now that annuity isn’t performing at the high level of the market.

Eric: Right, you have an annuity. You have the safety **guarantees. You’ve eliminated the risk. All of a sudden, everybody else is talking about how the market is doing . . .

Dick: They’re making all this money.

Eric: Oh, I’m making so much. You missed out. Timing is everything. But, you know what, the timing of an annuity is you’ve taken that **guarantee, and you shouldn’t have to worry about it.

I guess I’m not being negative enough.

Dick: Well, thanks folks for tuning in today. We hope this helps you in your overall decision to kind of balance all of this information out there, both positive and negative.

Eric: Well, we hope you don’t hate us, but I don’t know if you’ll love is either. Thanks for coming in.

Dick: Bye-bye.

Are You Too Young or Old to Purchase an Annuity?

April 13, 2012 By Annuity Guys®

What is the best age to purchase an annuity?

There have been a plethora of articles and reports about unscrupulous agents who sell annuities to senior citizens who did not understand what they were buying or the contractual ramifications of their decision. Due to the publicity of many of these unfortunate events there has been a blanket statement made by many that annuities should not be purchased by any over 70….. Hogwash!

In the world of financial planning and investment advising there is a need to have safe money options regardless of age. The key relies on the fact that the financial product should provide a solution to a financial need.

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Annuities by their name are designed to be income producing financial instruments. Yet, they can also be used effectively as estate planning tools. Unfortunately for senior adults insurance companies safeguard themselves from bureaucratic regulators by limiting annuity purchase ages – most companies would rather err on the side of not selling an annuity to someone approaching or exceeding eighty years old than to risk being accused of an unsuitable sale by a regulator even if the annuity would be a great benefit to the purchaser.

Why wouldn’t an eighty two year old on their own or with their families consent buy an annuity when they want safety of principal, a higher growth potential than the local bank, a 5 to 10% bonus and all of the account value to bypass probate and go directly to their heirs with no surrenders or penalties? The main reason is that senior citizens are discriminated against by overzealous regulators that in the name of protection have caused the door to be shut on this legitimate purpose for annuities in estate planning.

It should be noted that the age limiting also applies to younger individuals. We have seen insurance companies pull back on benefit eligibility for younger individuals which seem “to promise to much” based on today’s interest rate environment when these benefits are extrapolated out over a younger person’s lifetime.

So again, what is the best age…

The most common age tends to be between 45 and 65. However, it depends on the type of annuity and your planned retirement age. Our most common experience has been to start utilizing annuities in retirement planning 1-15 years prior to retirement. Annuities excel at keeping retirement dollars safe and secure while providing growth for retirement income. We often discuss with clients that they should consider annuities for their income foundation or “If they cannot afford to lose principal” or if they “do not have the time to recover from losses in riskier financial choices” — then annuities are always prudent alternative for consideration.

It seems that every month or so I see a newspaper and magazine financial writer that writes a column gets asked a question like, “I’m 70 years old and my advisor wants me to by a (fixed, variable, hybrid) annuity, should I do this?” I’m sorry, but no columnist can effectively answer that question in 300 words or less, unless his/her answer is “it depends.” It’s not uncommon for retirees to live into their 90’s – and a 70 year old with a family history of longevity may be a candidate for an annuity if they have a concern about outliving their money. It should be part of the discussion – if it fits the need.

So if I’m in my 20-40’s then I should not consider an annuity… right?

For younger individuals two key elements need to be part of the consideration when discussing if an annuity is a valid option. First, what are they giving up and at what cost? Younger clients who are disciplined enough to make regular contributions into an investment can benefit from dollar cost averaging. Also, they have the advantage of time — the longer the time before the dollars are needed the more likely they are to benefit from the volatile upside of some of the riskier investments. Second, how do they handle the loss of principal? Can they continue to invest into a financial product that may not always consistently grow? If they cannot stomach a loss then other safe money options like annuities should be part of the discussion.

Get Good Advice

In closing, we encourage you to get good advice. Find a financial professional that will listen to your needs and then work with you to find proper solutions. Ultimately it will be you who makes the decision on what to do with your dollars. Do not make decisions based upon a newspaper article or what your neighbor just did that sounds so great. Work with someone who has your goals in mind and you have a much better chance of meeting your retirement target.

Eric: Today, we’re going to talk about what is the best age to purchase an annuity. Now Dick, I see it in the newspaper all the time, “Dear Abby,” well Dear Abby isn’t quite right, but a financial columnist gets the question, “Dear, Dick; I’m 70-years-old. My financial adviser wants me to buy an annuity. Is this a good recommendation?”

Annuity Guys® Video Transcript:

Dick: Absolutely, if you’re 70-years-old, you should never buy an annuity.

Eric: Now 70 and a day, you’re okay.

Dick: Or what about 69 and a half?

Eric: Okay, that’s fine.

Dick: You know really folks; this is the problem with columnists and 300 word articles or whatever. They don’t really take your individual situation into account and where one 70-year-old buying an annuity could be completely the wrong thing, you know Eric we’ve seen that, on the other hand there are other 70-year-olds that have a unique situation, where an annuity could be the exact perfect answer for them.

Eric: Age; we hate to say age doesn’t matter, because really it comes into play in a certain aspect, but it’s all about longevity, expectations, and partly being part of your financial plan.

Dick: Right. If you want to get money over to heirs, maybe your children, you want that money to be safe. You want it to have better earning potential maybe than what the banks could give you.

Eric: Right now, that doesn’t take a whole lot.

Dick: It doesn’t take much. So there could be many of those factors. You want to avoid probate; that could be a good reason to consider an annuity for that purpose.

Eric: Exactly. So the blanket statement to say, “I’m too old for an annuity,” is not the right way of saying it. Now there are certain considerations. I would say as far as liquidity as far as what’s a sound investment, you have to trust the decisions, and that the people you’re working with are giving you good advice. If you ever don’t feel comfortable with any financial advice, get a second opinion.

Dick: And this is where I’ve had taken issue anyway, with some of the compliance regulations and the regulators, which they try to make it one rule fits all, and they don’t really take the individual into account. And I very frequently find that an older person is truly discriminated against, because they cannot choose what is best for their situation. The insurance companies are afraid to sell them an annuity or to allow them to purchase an annuity, because it could be looked at as something incorrect, even though for that person, it would be the very best thing in their situation.

Eric: Yeah, I think part of what happened; this is the historical perhaps side of it. There was a time when annuities were sold and the reflection was that, basically agents were just selling them because of a higher commission level. They were just going to sell them, no matter if they were the right fit or not.

Dick: Yeah, unscrupulous. Not doing the right thing. Taking advantage of people, and yet in every investment that we’ve known out there in the world of investments, there’s been someone that will take advantage of another person. So we have to be somewhat careful, and we can’t change the way the whole world, the investment world is set up. But because of that, I do feel that the protection rules have come down so strongly that now the insurance companies are afraid to sell or allow an older person to purchase an annuity.

Eric: And we’re not suggesting that if you have dementia that you should purchase an annuity. Basically, what we’re saying is that, if you’re of sound mind, and you’re making sound decisions and you understand how it fits.

Dick: And maybe even bringing the family into the decision. But even in the environment that we have now, if the family wants to come into the decision and help their 80-year-old mother purchase an annuity that would be a great thing for the family and for the goals and objectives of the client, they can’t do it.

Eric: Some insurance companies basically tie agent’s hands, based off of age. It depends on the company and what the age cutoff is.

Dick: Right, it seems like, when we get up around in that area of 78-80, in that neighborhood, it becomes pretty minimal what’s available.

Eric: Then of course there are people, I’m going to say in my age group that…

Dick: The much younger…

Eric: They’re also the discriminated against group that some of the benefits, I call them the richer benefits that are available on some annuities, the income riders. We’re actually too young. The benefits are actually too great.

Dick: The companies feel and I think that this should be a cue to some folks that are maybe a little bit more in that sweet spot, which I’m approaching, somewhere in that 50-year- old up to 65-years-old, that some of the **guarantees and that the companies feel are just a little bit too strong to offer to a younger person that could take advantage of that. So we do find this sweet spot to be somewhere between the ages of near 50, up to maybe a little over 65 or pushing 70, where an annuity can be positioned, either to start income immediately or defer it for up to 10 or 15 years.

Eric: I really like that. For me in my practice, those 10 years before retirement, it should be part of the discussion. Even if the decision is no, it should be part of what’s looked at as part of this.

Dick: I can’t tell you how many times, I know you’ve heard it over and over too. That someone has said, “I wish I would have known this ten years ago, five years ago, because why was I wasting my time?” Their money many times, hasn’t done any of the things that it needed to do, to be ready for where they are today, and they could have positioned it with contractual **guarantees, which is what annuities offer and at least that foundational portion of their income or their assets would have produced the income that they needed by this stage.

Eric: Well, and it takes some of the guess work out. If you take a portion of your retirement savings and you position it in a place where you know that you’re this age, your goal is to retire here, isn’t it nice to have predictability of what that income level is going to be at that point, and that is where it becomes part of the discussion.

Dick: So I think that truthfully, getting back to what we were discussing initially and that was too old or too young? I think that we would have to say that it depends on your unique situation. You’re never too old or too young, if it fits what you need.

Eric: That’s right. It has to be a solution to a financial problem and it’s a piece of the puzzle. If it fits it should be part of the consideration. So talk to your financial adviser. Find somebody that you trust and that you feel comfortable with and have the discussion.

Dick: That’s right. Thank you.

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