This topic seems to have some momentum among the popular investment media advisors where we have seen no less than a dozen Wall Street insiders telling everyone who will listen…[continued below video]

Video: Watch as Annuity Guys, Dick and Eric, discuss as to whether the best way is to sell in May.

**Guarantees, including optional benefits, are backed by the claims-paying ability of the issuer, and may contain limitations, including surrender charges, which may affect policy values. During this segment, Dick and Eric are referring to Fixed Annuities unless otherwise specified.

[continued]…that this is not the year to sell in May. The question is… who do you believe the historical adage or the so called experts of our day? Or, is there a third option for those looking to avoid the volatile days and declines of summer by positioning some of their assets into a holding where they can take the risk of loss due to negative investment performance off the table? Using fixed or fixed index annuities as an alternative asset class is becoming more popular with people looking to mitigate the risk of potentially decreasing bond valuations based on rising interest rates and also to seek stock market protections from the current bull market possibly screeching to a halt.

Annuities may not be the right choice for everyone; but for those in or nearing retirement, they are certainly worthy of consideration. Annuities are the cornerstone of safe income options for many retirees but also offer some safe market upside growth potential to consider when evaluating whether to sell stocks in May and go away or buy annuities in May and go play!

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For stocks, the best time to sell and go away starts today

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (MarketWatch) — Should you sell in April and go away?

It’s an odd question, I admit. Widespread talk of selling usually doesn’t begin until late April, when investors each year are reminded of the famous seasonal pattern “sell in May and go away.”

But it’s precisely because it is so well-known that some followers of this seasonal tendency wonder if they should act sooner rather than later. Waiting until May Day runs the risk of selling at the same time that a large number of other investors are doing the same.

Fortunately, we have real-world data on two attempts to get a jump start on the “sell in May and go away” pattern. The first is the “Almanac Investor Newsletter,” edited by Jeffrey Hirsch, and the other is Sy Harding’s “Street Smart Report.”

Both pursue surprisingly similar modifications to this basic seasonal pattern. Each relies on a technical indicator known as MACD to pinpoint the precise day on which they enter and exit the market. (MACD is a short-term momentum indicator, standing for moving average convergence divergence.)

The Hulbert Financial Digest has track records for both market timers’ modifications of this seasonal pattern dating to mid-2002, nearly 13 years ago. The HFD calculates their returns on the assumption that, when they are invested in stocks, they earn the return of the Wilshire 5000 Index; otherwise they are assumed to be invested in 90-day Treasury bills.

As you can see from the accompanying table, a buy-and-hold strategy since mid-2002 has produced a 7.7% annualized return. Automatically going to cash every May Day and re-entering the market on Halloween would have done slightly better with a lot less risk — which is why it comes out well ahead of buying and holding on a risk-adjusted basis (as indicated by a higher Sharpe Ratio). [Read More at MarketWatch…]

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Many economist and market watchers have been proclaiming an end to the bull market for months and the recent drops have sent many investors scrambling for safety. Now that we have seen many indexes drop into “correction level” (a polite way of saying they have lost 10%) the big question is … [continued below video]

 Guarantees, including optional benefits, are backed by the claims-paying ability of the issuer, and may contain limitations, including surrender charges, which may affect policy values. During this segment, Dick and Eric are referring to Fixed Annuities unless otherwise specified.

[continued below]…are we poised for a new bull run or are we in for a more serious drop of another 10 to 20 percent or even far more?

Can you get strong growth from an annuity during a bear market? Certainly! You can even utilize a fixed annuity and typically **guarantee a fixed return of 2 to 3 percent at present rates. However, a fixed index annuity (hybrid style) can benefit from resetting during a bear market, which typically creates more growth potential because fixed index annuities can reset to a new lower indexing point during a bear market – they do not have to grow back to their high point to begin accumulating gains. According to various studies of past performance, index annuities have the realistic potential to earn from 4 to 6% interest annually while protecting principal!

Trying to time the market can be extremely difficult for professionals, especially for individual investors. Riding out a bear market for some is “un-bearable” – they cannot handle the emotional roller coaster. Annuities can be an answer for those people hoping to move a portion of their portfolio into a safer financial growth alternative – safer option that offers a far greater upside potential than just sitting in cash or riding a market down.

Read more on this subject in this article:

 Shiller: Average CAPE Ratio Puts S&P at 1,300, Dow at 11,000

Nobel laureate economist Robert Shiller of Yale University says his indicator shows that the current stock market values are overinflated and will only crash even lower.

Shiller invented the cyclically adjusted price to earnings ratio (CAPE), a key indicator for stock market crashes.

“It is entirely plausible that the shaking of investor complacency in recent days will, despite intermittent rebounds, take the market down significantly,” Shiller wrote in the New York Times.

According to Shiller’s CAPE ratio, the stock market is significantly overvalued. The metric modifies historical price-earnings ratios to account for business cycles. Between 1881 and 2015, CAPE averaged a ratio of 17, well below today’s reading of 27.

Shiller said his indicator would put the S&P closer to 1,300 from around 1,988 on Friday, and the Dow at 11,000 from around 16,643.

“We are in a rare and anxious “just don’t know” situation, where the stock market is inherently risky because of unstable investor psychology,” he said.

“There are reasons to question whether this was a quick, effective slap on the wrist, or if the market is still too overactive, and thus asking for a more extended punishment,” he said.

“Ten percent drops in the S&P 500 in just five trading days — such as what we just experienced — have not been common. Out of the 29 corrections since 1950, only nine happened in five days or less,” he said.

“Most of those happened since 2000, possibly because of the Internet and faster communications. Such rare sharp drops are psychologically significant; an extreme one-day collapse seems to create anxiety that imprints on people’s memories and could contribute to a downward momentum.”

All of the recent market volatility could help drive investors away from stocks for years, says ace hedge fund manager Doug Kass, president of Seabreeze Partners Management. [Read More at NewsMax]

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With hybrid annuities, being good for nothing in the bad years is actually one of the best features! There is a phrase in the hybrid annuity world, “zero is your hero”, and it is derived from the feature of fixed index annuities which allows you to participate in the upside of a stock market index without suffering any losses due to…[continued below video]

Video: Watch as Annuity Guys, Dick and Eric, look at the power of zero for retirement security.

 Guarantees, including optional benefits, are backed by the claims-paying ability of the issuer, and may contain limitations, including surrender charges, which may affect policy values. During this segment, Dick and Eric are referring to Fixed Annuities unless otherwise specified.

[continued]…poor stock performance or even serious losses. For example; many hybrid style annuities are linked to the performance of the S&P 500 and when the S&P 500 was down over 38% in 2008, those indexed annuity holders were credited with a 0. Which would you have rather had, a loss in your $500,000 portfolio of $190,000 or simply zero gains and your $500,000 stays intact during that same time period? In 2008, you were most likely bragging about your zero – if you were that fortunate.

The next question when trying to determine if a hybrid or fixed index annuity might be right for you is what are you willing to give up in exchange for never having any losses due to market downturns? Would you accept a limitation on your growth potential? The answer for many retirees has been a resounding YES. The research shows that retirees who can avoid significant losses to their portfolio in the first 5 to 10 years of retirement have a great chance of never running out of money. The reason is simple math. For example, a couple with a $500,000 portfolio who can comfortably withdraw $20,000 out annually to meet their income need only needs a 4% annual average gain to maintain their principal balance and lifestyle without fear of running out of money. However, what happens if the market corrects and they lose 30% of their portfolio ($150,000) and they now have $350,000? Do they keep withdrawing the $20,000? Hoping and waiting for a market rebound – considering that they will need a market rebound of about 43% – if your portfolio has a loss, it takes an even greater return to overcome the loss to get you back to where you started.

Hybrid annuities help retirees take the risk of stock market loss off the table and smooths out the volatility of the markets. Fixed Index Annuities can offer solid growth allowing retirees to capture a portion of the market upside while insulated from market corrections. Are you are ready for “zero” to be your “hero” for a foundational portion of your portfolio?

Here is a similar article by Anton Hendler at Annuity123.

Pros and Cons of Fixed Index Annuities

“Beauty is in the eye of the beholder”, so the saying goes. So it is that with an article of this nature, it depends on who is writing it and that persons perspective as no two people will share the same opinion. So let us nail our colors firmly to the mast, so to speak, and share with you that we promote Fixed Index Annuities (FIAs) to our clients and are firm believers in their place in any Retirement strategy.

Now that we have our ‘disclaimer’ out of the way, let’s turn to the subject at hand. We will not even attempt to provide a comprehensive list here of all the pros and cons (in no particular order) but will merely touch on what we believe to be the major points and, again, these may differ from another person’s view.

Pros of Fixed Index Annuities

• The power of annual reset. What this means is that every year on the anniversary of the policy, any gains in the market (based on the strategy which you have chosen and an index such as the S&P 500) will be credited to your policy and then ‘locked in’. So if the market goes down in the next year, not only will your value not go down (you will stay level) but the gains made in the previous year that were locked in are yours as well. This can be compared to a ratchet on a jack for your car. As you move forward (up) you are protected from slipping backwards (down) by the ratchet (click here to learn more about annual reset).

• No downside risk. Following on from the first bullet, it follows that whilst you share in a portion of market gains (and these are locked in every year) you do not share in market losses. If the market goes down in any year, your prior year ‘locked-in’ value will stay level. That is, it will not go down or up, but will remain at the prior year’s value.

• Sharing in the market upside. What one has to remember with FIAs is that you are not invested directly into the market. As such, you do not get the full amount of any increase in the market, but share in the growth in any year. Your growth is limited by devices such as participation rates and caps so if the market goes up by 8% and you have a 100% Participation rate with a 5% cap, then you will get 5% growth in that year. Funds are not invested by the insurance company directly in the market, but they buy options in the market. If the market goes up then the insurance company exercises those options and pays you your percentage of the increase. If the market goes down then the insurance company essentially ‘burns’ the options and you get nothing.

• The power of zero. Getting a return of zero in a down year sounds, at first, like a con but it is a very significant pro. Take the example of a market that goes down by 20% in year one. In year two, you will need it to go up by 25% just to get back to where you were. So the power of staying level in that down year suddenly looks very compelling compared to taking a ‘hit’ and having to climb your way back up to where you were before you can start to show gains in your principal again. [Read more at Annuity123]

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Don’t let the sizzle fool you. You can get a fixed index annuity without an income rider. Why would you do that? Why pay a fee for a service you will never use?

Typically, you shouldn’t upgrade your annuity to a hybrid style unless you know you want the lifetime income **guarantee while still maintaining majority control.

A base FIA (fixed index annuity) offers the ability to grow based upon the performance of an index while not going backwards. Your principal is never at risk and to clear up a popular misconception – your money is never actually invested in the index itself. With a fixed index annuity, the insurance company assumes all investment risk and while you may be able to participate in the gains generated by an equities or commodities index your dollars were never invested in any of those securities.
Watch as the Annuity Guys® – Dick and Eric, report on the fixed index annuity to help you evaluate if this type of annuity would be a good fit for your portfolio.

**Guarantees, including optional benefits, are backed by the claims-paying ability of the issuer, and may contain limitations, including surrender charges, which may affect policy values. During this segment, Dick and Eric are referring to Fixed Annuities unless otherwise specified.

There are pros and cons to any financial product and fixed index annuities have their detraction’s, such as cap rate, participation rate, and surrender terms. But if you are looking for an option that allows for better than average safer interest growth with no investment risk, check out a fixed index annuity.

Worried about interest rates impacting your bond portfolio? Check out this article.

Fixed-index annuities as bonds alternative?

By Robert Klein at MarketWatch.com

If you haven’t noticed, bond interest rates have been inching up over the past year. The U.S. Treasury 10-year index hit a 52-week high of 2.83% on Friday, up 1.29%, or 84%, from the 52-week low of 1.54% on Aug. 31, 2012.

Given the fact that market prices of bonds move inversely with interest rate changes, increasing interest rates generally translates to decreasing bond prices. An example of this is the Barclays U.S. Aggregate Bond Trust, which, after increasing 7.84% in 2011 and 4.21% in 2012, is down 3.27% year-to-date as of Friday.

Recent bond interest rate increases, combined with the prospect for continued interest rate hikes, have gotten the attention of investors, resulting in reduced bondholdings in many cases. Replacement investments have included dividend stocks. While this has provided an alternative source of income, i.e., dividends, it has also resulted in increased equity risk exposure, which may prove to be more problematic than simply remaining in bonds.

Many investors in the past few years have discovered a different strategy for a portion of their bond portfolio that retains the fixed income nature of bonds while offering protection from bond and equity market declines. It’s called fixed-index annuities, or “FIAs.”

 What is a fixed-index annuity?

A fixed-index annuity is a fixed annuity that offers a minimum **guaranteed interest rate and potential for higher earnings than traditional fixed annuities based on the performance of one or more stock market indexes. When purchased with non-retirement plan funds, unlike bonds, earnings grow tax-deferred. If a minimum **guaranteed withdrawal benefit (“MGWB”) isn’t built into the contract, a FIA can be paired with an income rider to give the annuitant(s) the ability to activate a lifetime income stream.

There are two types of FIA’s — single premium and flexible premium. A single-premium FIA is a one-time investment whereas a flexible-premium FIA allows for subsequent investments after your initial investment. With both types, you need to allocate your premium, or investment, between a fixed account and one or more indexing strategies. The fixed account pays a fixed rate of return for one or more years that’s generally higher than a similar-duration CD.

Indexing strategies provide the opportunity to earn interest based on the performance of a defined stock market index each contract year, with the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index being the most prevalent offering. Unlike a direct investment in an index where you participate in gains as well as losses, there are two basic differences when you allocate funds to an indexing strategy within an FIA:

1. If the index’s return is negative, no loss is posted to your account.

2. If the index’s return is positive, interest is credited to your account subject to a cap.

In other words, unlike bond and equity investments, you won’t participate in losses, however, you also won’t fully participate in gains to the extent that the performance of a particular indexing strategy exceeds that of a defined cap.

When do fixed-index annuities make sense as a bondholding alternative?

FIA’s offer several distinct advantages over bonds, including protection from market declines, elimination of bond default risk, participation in positive performance of stock market indexes, tax deferral in non-retirement accounts, sustainable lifetime income with a MGWB or income rider, investment management simplification, and elimination of investment management fees on the portion of a managed portfolio that’s invested in FIA’s.

They aren’t without their disadvantages, however. [Read more from MarketWatch]

Transcription:

Dick: Hi I’m Dick.

Eric: And I’m Eric and we’re the annuity guys; and today we’re choosing a fixed indexed annuity.

Dick: Yes, and Eric that’s referred to all over the internet as a hybrid annuity.

Eric: No, no…

Dick: Nowadays, nowadays it is.

Eric: Fixed indexed annuity without an income rider is the purest sense. Now, to get a hybrid style you got to have the income rider.

Dick: Well, that’s where we tend to talk in terms of hybrid combining a whole bunch of things into one annuity and mostly its marketing hype… mostly it’s just a sizzle to sell the annuity talking about hybrid; but it is in all fairness, hybrid does mean the combination of several elements into one thing. So, I would say that it is a hybrid in that sense but let’s get into the specifics of the fixed indexed annuity and what’s good about it?

Eric: Yes and I think usually the first thing I start with when someone asked me… its breaking down what’s an index? You know, really when you talk about indexing for an annuity, the most common one out there is typically are the S&P 500.

Dick: Dow Jones…

Eric: Now most people say “I’m invested in the market right?”

Dick: No…

Eric: What do you mean? It’s like an indexed mutual fund^{^} or…

Dick: And that’s the thing, it’s challenging to explain the folks is that you really are never invested in the market. You’re using that index just as an indicator.

Eric: It’s a benchmark…

Dick: A benchmark to know how much interest will be credited to your account. So, this is a completely safe, investment free product..

Eric: All risk-free.

Dick: Yes, yes it is.

Eric: And I always laugh because what I try to do is explain that you know; we can use the weather as that same index and say we start with the this time at eight o’clock today and at eight o’clock tomorrow we’re going to look at the same time… and if we’re up to two degrees, we’re going to credit you two percent. You can just use any kind a benchmark. In fact, there are indexes out there that use interest rates…

Dick: Commodities.

Eric: Commodities, gold.

Dick: Right. So, if somebody comes to you with an annuity, with this amazing new index; don’t get too excited because first of all even if that particular index could soar, you’re going to be limited on the upside up of it. That’s how these indexed fixed indexed annuities work is they give you the upside but they give you no downside. So you don’t get all of the upside.

Eric: And really, if you kind of peel back the layers of how an indexed annuity really works; the insurance company has something usually that it can purchase options on. They’re looking at options contracts something they can buy for pennies on the dollar;

Dick: If it doesn’t hit, it expires and throw it away; and when it hits…

Eric: It’s very good for everybody.

Dick: It brings some money in.

Eric: And they are willing to share some of those benefits.

Dick: Right.

Eric: So, like you were describing, what’s the negatives here? You don’t get the full upside typically that you’re going to get from a market participation; if you were just truly invested in one of those yourself but then also the inverse of that is you don’t go back…

Dick: Completely safe, completely secure. And when we say risk free, we have to qualify that a little bit. What we’re really saying is, it is a market risk free; and you know, there’s risk in anything we do. If it’s a US Treasury, there’s risk in it. So, in terms of measuring risk, it’s one of the least risky things you can do with your money.

Eric: Right. In explaining some other things that limits some of the upside; this is part of the conversation that if you ever look at an indexed style annuity, that there boards caps typically associated which is usually…

Dick: Limits your upside.

Eric: You may say you got the S&P 500 index with a cap of 5 percent. Well, that typically means the most you’re going to make in a year is

5 percent – so that’s your cap. The market may make up to twenty percent while you’re only going to get up to your cap.

Dick: Yes

Eric: And, there’s the participation rate which is how much of that index…

Dick: So, that if the market goes up 20 percent and I have a 10 percent participation rate, I’m at ten-percent of what the market went up or spread which in that case you agree that the first portion of what’s earned; it could be one percent or 5 percent, goes to the insurance company or is not paid to you. Let’s put it that way. And so consequently, you get anything above that. If you had a 10 percent spread, the market did 20 percent; you get 10 percent.

Eric: And those are really kind of need aspects to say… I can still participate in the upside I know I’m not going to go backwards. And as long as there’s no fee associated with the contract, you’ll never go… you never will back up and that’s what’s very attractive. And who would be interested in these types of annuities? It’s usually somebody who wants some growth but they’re just not willing to go backwards. If we look at the charts over the last ten years; and this is where indexed annuity companies are really putting those charts out, because if you remember back in 2008 when that market went boom…

Dick: Or 2009.

Eric: Well guess what your indexed annuities do?

Dick: No loss.

Eric: We did not go back thirty-eight percent…

Dick: A nice place to start from when the market started coming back up… stair steps up.

Eric: And that’s what’s nice. It locks in typically it resets if it’s an annual reset. Every year you started that new benchmark and all you do is…

Dick: Now Eric, one of the things; I am going to switch our subject here on this a little bit – and that is; that we see all the time and it kind of gets our higher up a little bit, 8 percent returns you know on indexed annuities; and pretty misleading is it?

Eric: Well, and that’s when people are typically selling the rider; they’re selling the piece that you’re going to pay a fee for usually, but it’s that sizzle portion that people want because they want that market-style return. So, eight percent **guaranteed… for future income

Dick: Or income account – it’s a kind of a virtual type account, does what it’s supposed to do – an excellent feature, excellent benefit, but consumers are generally confused and misled many times by that statement of getting an eight percent return on their money; safe, secure, **guaranteed; when that’s just factually not true or at least not the whole picture.

Eric: In effect, most people – and this is the conversation you have to have – that if you’re not looking at FIA or fixed indexed annuity for income you can buy it without the income rider. You don’t need that income rider…

Dick: No fees.

Eric: No fees, no charges. Now you’re not going to get that **guaranteed roll up for future income but you still have the option of receiving lifetime income from these annuities because you can annuitize.

Dick: Annuitize, right. So, when we start looking at the fixed indexed annuity and the benefits that that annuity will give as compared to other annuities – variable annuities^#, immediate annuities. We start to look at we’ve got the upside; we’ve got safety and **guarantees. So the upside would be kind of similar to the variable annuity^# that you’ve got some upside here. You don’t have the unlimited upside of the variable but you do have upside for a little better than normal growth should be; and then you’ve got the safety and security of the fixed annuity because there really is no investment for a fixed index annuity. Income – you’ve got the potential of what the immediate annuity has in two ways – you can annuitize or you can use the rider for lifetime income; and the beauty of using the rider for the lifetime income is back to what we call majority control of your money where you can actually not get your lump sum away like the immediate annuity, keep control of that money either to go on to the heirs or for a future use if there was an emergency.

Eric: So, I think we’ve broken down the fixed indexed annuity giving you some tidbits as to how the hybrid might be a part or add on to that that base chassis. I think we’ve got it covered all.

Dick: We’ve done it. Thank you.

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Why would we start a discussion about annuity earnings with apples and oranges? When people start looking at annuities, they invariably want to compare them to mutual fund^{^}s or other securities. Commonly, they will start the discussion about the merits of a particular annuity by asking about the “upside” or growth potential. Let us state this clearly – thinking of annuities as accumulation products by comparing them to securities is just plain wrong in the vast majority of scenarios. So let’s not mix apples and oranges.

Do annuities have growth potential? Sure, but do not decide to purchase an annuity expecting high single digit or double-digit gains, especially with today’s economic conditions.

Annuities are safety and security products that should be viewed in the light of their **guarantees. Dick and Eric examine what annuities really earn in this weeks video.

**Guarantees, including optional benefits, are backed by the claims-paying ability of the issuer, and may contain limitations, including surrender charges, which may affect policy values. During this segment, Dick and Eric are referring to Fixed Annuities unless otherwise specified.

In addition to your questions, this weeks inspiration came from…

Behind the indexed annuity curtain

By Stan Haithcock at MarketWatch.com

We all saw the original Wizard of Oz movie when they went to see the powerful Oz and were totally in awe until the dog, Toto, pulled the curtain back to show that it was just some goober running a sound board.

That curtain needs to be pulled back on indexed annuities as well because “the show” is getting to be a little overwhelming on the lunch seminar circuit and with the increasingly aggressive online annuity promoters.

First of all, let me explain the details of an indexed annuity (also called an equity-indexed annuity, fixed-index annuity, hybrid annuity). An indexed annuity is a fixed annuity with a call option on an index, usually the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index. The vast majority of the call options are one year in length, but can be as long as five years. The S&P 500 index represents over 90% of the index option choices even though other index selections (Dow, Nasdaq, etc.) can be found in some product offerings. These call options allow you limited participation in the upside of the index (not including dividends).

When indexed annuities were developed a couple of decades ago, they were designed to compete with CD returns, not market returns. They were never put on the planet to be a pure growth product, even though they are sold that way by agents and the online annuity spammers. Realistic and historical (yes agents, these are also called facts) return expectations for indexed annuities should be around 3% to 5% annually. Those annual gains, if any, are locked in at the contract anniversary date, and then a new index option starts.

Please understand that indexed annuities are complex products, and the majority of agents are unable (or unwilling) to properly explain them and usually just focus on a few sizzle points. Below I have listed some of the positive and negatives of indexed annuities and where they might work within your portfolio.

Positives

• Used with Income Riders for target date income planning

This is how I use indexed annuities for my clients. I also attach contractual death benefits or confinement care benefits when that is the ultimate goal.

• Downside protection

Because your potential gains are attached to a call option, if the markets go down and the call option expires worthless at your contract anniversary date, then you will not lose any money. Agents use the phrase “Zero is your hero.” That’s a pretty goofy way to put it.

• Gains locked in

This is a very good feature of indexed annuities. If you have gains from your index option, that gain is locked in permanently, never to go below that amount. Just remember that your upside potential is very limited, regardless of what your agent tells you.

• Possibility to capture market dips

As an example, if the S&P 500 index goes from 1,300 to 900 in one year, your index option for that year would not credit any gains, but you would start the next index option year at 900 on the S&P 500.

• Higher actuarial payout for income

Most indexed annuities, when used for lifetime income purposes with attached income riders, have a higher actuarial percentage payout than similarly structured variable annuities^#. [Read More…]

Annuity Guys® Video Transcript:

Dick: Today we want to talk about annuities, and we want to get all the hype out of the way, Eric.

Eric: The hype? There’s hype in annuities? Oh my gosh.

Dick: Well, this was inspired by Richard out in Massachusetts, one of our folks that had used the website and we had given him a referral. He sent in a question that basically said, “You know, I’ve been looking at different blogs on the Internet, and they’ve talked about the return, and the annualized return doesn’t seem to be that high.” And that’s true, isn’t it?

Eric: This is where people have the challenge. When they first start looking at annuities, they’re coming from a world where they’ve been focused on accumulation.

Dick: Right.

Eric: When we look at the mutual fund^{^} industry, everybody talks about, “I did this return, 20%, 30%.” “Oh, I beat the S&P.” That’s the accumulation world. The focus there is on numbers, the return I’m getting.

Dick: Exactly. Right. Is there a little hype in that world?

Eric: Oh there’s a lot of hype. You know, glossy pages with the charts that go like this. Oh my gosh.

Dick: Well, and we can look at DALBAR studies that talk about the individual investor and what they actually do earn, and it’s down below 5%, considerably below 5%. So it’s all over the board.

Eric: But must people have been conditioned to focus on the return.

Dick: Of accumulated money. Right.

Eric: Yes. I’m making this much. I’m making this much. I’m getting this much. That’s not what an annuity is about. It’s not about taking and trying to grow the asset so much as preserve it, because you’ve already done the saving part.

Dick: You’ve already done the work. You’ve built the nest egg.

Eric: What’s the goal of saving? It’s future spending. Saving is really, in this case, future spending.

Dick: Right. So would it be fair, Eric, to say that an annuity is more about security and cash flow?

Eric: Yes. Yes, it would. I would say that would be fair.

Dick: So if we were to boil it down and just get rid of all the hype, and when I say “hype,” I mean the way its presented, it may not really be hype, but it does sound good. We talk about 7% rollups on the income account and 8%. W talk about 5% payouts and 6% payouts. But if we really got down to the life expectancy and drawing the income off an annuity . . . well, first of all, let’s just talk about an immediate annuity. What would the real internal rate of return be on an immediate annuity overall?

Eric: One, two percent.

Dick: Max. One to two percent.

Eric: My thing, when we start talking about annuities, and we’re doing it now, talking about rate of return, first question I have to ask you is: When are you going to die? Then I’ll tell you what your return is going to be.

Dick: Exactly. The insurance company has this figured out statistically, and they know that, overall, your rate of return on this annuity in a statistically generalized averaged sense is going to be in the neighborhood of a couple of percent on an immediate annuity. Right now, with today’s rate, even a little less than that. Yet billions and billions of dollars of immediate annuities are sold. Why do people do that?

Eric: Safety, security, cash flow. We’re going to repeat ourselves a lot here. If you’re going to be focused on return, don’t go here.

Dick: Exactly. I know we both have got a lot to say here. But one thing that comes to my mind is all of the sure bet things that are out there in the investment world, the things that you are told you cannot lose, such as Enron, Lehman Brothers. What are some others?

Eric: Well, GM was always the . . . I grew up in a world where they always said buy GM stock, and you never have to worry.

Dick: Right. Enron? Madoff? So these are things that all look good, but those are all followed by this caveat of past performance is no indicator of future results. We tend to gloss over that and say, “Oh, they just say that.” But that’s there for a reason.

Eric: Right. But it’s a risk-reward aspect. You’re chasing the reward there and are willing to take some of that risk. What we talk about when we look at annuities, we want to take that risk and diminish it significantly so that you have that safety, you have that **guarantee.

Dick: Yes.

Eric: And that’s what we’re focused on with annuities.

Dick: And that’s not for all of a client’s money.

Eric: Not all of your money. That’s right. Asset allocation, spreading the baskets out.

Dick: It’s a further diversification, another layer of protection and safety completely. And now if we get into the very popular indexed or hybrid annuity, there are a lot of things to talk about in terms of that income rollup and how it gets your income up to a certain level by a certain age, which would not be **guaranteed if you were in the market. You maybe couldn’t take that big of an income without depleting your principal much faster. So there is that aspect. But if we just talked about the overall rate of return of that hybrid annuity, we took it like some of these guys do, and they’re very good at their math and their spreadsheets. They spread it out and they show if you start a guy out at 60 years old and you defer him for 5 years or 10 years, with this 7% rollup, you turn it on, and he lives to age 90. What’s his return going to be?

Eric: Like two, three, four, five percent, perhaps. That would be on the high end.

Dick: On the real high client.

Eric: It depends on when you start.

Dick: Two percent on the low and maybe, like you say, four to five on the extreme high, but more like two to there percent would be like the max. They’re are part of the rule.

Eric: Part of what we’re looking at is we’re looking at pieces in today’s environment. Caps right now are structured around what today’s caps are.

Dick: Right.

Eric: So when we’re looking at things, we like to today’s numbers. Now, we expect caps will increase in the future. Can we **guarantee it? No.

Dick: No.

Eric: And that’s what, when we work with annuities, we really like to talk about **guarantees. Because if you’re satisfied with the **guarantee, then anything above and beyond is good.

Dick: That’s right.

Eric: And the same thing is true on the indexing side of these components. Look at what the **guarantee is. That indexing component offers a little bit of a bump. But, focus on the **guarantee.

Dick: Right. Well, folks, I think for today’s topic we want to thank Richard. Thank you Richard for that good question. Eric and I added something at the first of the year that you may not have seen on the blog site. So when you’re through with this, if you’d like, you can actually ask us a question.

Eric: That’s right. We’ve put it out there in a couple different spots. We encourage you . . . as we come up with topics, sometimes it’s nice to know what you want to actually hear about.

Dick: Right. We tried to dispel the hype here and get down to the real rate of return is and then talk about the real reason that you do an annuity and choose an annuity.

Eric: No hype, just answers.

Dick: Thank you.

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